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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6406010" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>ok, I also know people who have fun skydiving, and boxing... I do not want to box, I do not want to jump out of a perfectly fine plane... if the DM wanted me to box or skydive I would say they were being a jerk... but if they say "you can only use out of game resources" I might ask if that means we can break out the bopper swords for the next fight...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>well I have not played it, but by the description it was not easy, again almost none of the clues would come up as part of a normal investigation...</p><p></p><p> inless you don't see it... then it is a nightmare.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I really don't understand what you are saying here. I read it 4 times, and still don't get it. </p><p></p><p></p><p> ok, and that is totally a playstyle. Infact I run games for people that would say it is cheating (yes active cheating) to use out of game knowledge and skill this way. </p><p></p><p>There is a good reason, way back when (2e and the beginning of 3e) we had powergamers who were very smart and fast talkers... they would dump Cha, then just "role-play" it, and if they had no investigation skills or perception would still play as if they were Sherlock homes... until we had a 15 year old with a stutter join our games and complain "Why is my 18 cha and really high Int and Wis Character not able to do what there 7 cha fighter can?"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> well we have no idea how many players have a problem with it... I do though</p><p></p><p></p><p> Your advice is dumb... I mean real dumb of cource we alternated who choose... but I never chose something she wont eat. I went to the seafood restaurant, and I still did not enjoy it... and she never should have expected to do so...</p><p></p><p></p><p>person A says "I do not like X"</p><p>person B says "We are going to try X"</p><p>Person A trys X, but still doesn't like it, and mentions it</p><p>Person B is trying to teach person A a lesson</p><p>Person A is given a choose of taking something more X like or shutting up and continuing as is with what he hates"</p><p>Person B continues doing X (remembers he shared his feelings of not enjoying X) but keeps his mouth shut...</p><p></p><p>please fill X with something that doesn't make this sound jerky and bullying</p><p></p><p></p><p>. </p><p>that is what he wanted... so you would have given him what he wanted...</p><p></p><p> yes, but again the core of 3.5 was more broken then a lot of the suplments, and again the exact example was less powerful then core options...</p><p> then I don't understand... there are powergamers that can powergame anything...</p><p></p><p> and they should expect blow back from PCs if that PC wants to use that book... and the best way to handle that is to talk like adults and make it work somehow...</p><p></p><p> and none of that matters if the player is also a jerk when given what he wants... on the other hand if the player who had personal problems was told "Hey I really didn't want to deal with it, but since we are friends sure... play what you want and I will just ignore anyone else having guns" then what?</p><p></p><p> so whats the problem... player tried to play under restriction but bucked under them, so the group got a different game... sounds like your solution won out...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6406010, member: 67338"] ok, I also know people who have fun skydiving, and boxing... I do not want to box, I do not want to jump out of a perfectly fine plane... if the DM wanted me to box or skydive I would say they were being a jerk... but if they say "you can only use out of game resources" I might ask if that means we can break out the bopper swords for the next fight... well I have not played it, but by the description it was not easy, again almost none of the clues would come up as part of a normal investigation... inless you don't see it... then it is a nightmare. I really don't understand what you are saying here. I read it 4 times, and still don't get it. ok, and that is totally a playstyle. Infact I run games for people that would say it is cheating (yes active cheating) to use out of game knowledge and skill this way. There is a good reason, way back when (2e and the beginning of 3e) we had powergamers who were very smart and fast talkers... they would dump Cha, then just "role-play" it, and if they had no investigation skills or perception would still play as if they were Sherlock homes... until we had a 15 year old with a stutter join our games and complain "Why is my 18 cha and really high Int and Wis Character not able to do what there 7 cha fighter can?" well we have no idea how many players have a problem with it... I do though Your advice is dumb... I mean real dumb of cource we alternated who choose... but I never chose something she wont eat. I went to the seafood restaurant, and I still did not enjoy it... and she never should have expected to do so... person A says "I do not like X" person B says "We are going to try X" Person A trys X, but still doesn't like it, and mentions it Person B is trying to teach person A a lesson Person A is given a choose of taking something more X like or shutting up and continuing as is with what he hates" Person B continues doing X (remembers he shared his feelings of not enjoying X) but keeps his mouth shut... please fill X with something that doesn't make this sound jerky and bullying . that is what he wanted... so you would have given him what he wanted... yes, but again the core of 3.5 was more broken then a lot of the suplments, and again the exact example was less powerful then core options... then I don't understand... there are powergamers that can powergame anything... and they should expect blow back from PCs if that PC wants to use that book... and the best way to handle that is to talk like adults and make it work somehow... and none of that matters if the player is also a jerk when given what he wants... on the other hand if the player who had personal problems was told "Hey I really didn't want to deal with it, but since we are friends sure... play what you want and I will just ignore anyone else having guns" then what? so whats the problem... player tried to play under restriction but bucked under them, so the group got a different game... sounds like your solution won out... [/QUOTE]
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