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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6406039" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>No he is not being a jerk. If the DM invited you upfront and said we are skydiving and boxing and then you come and make a fuss you are the ome being a jerk. </p><p></p><p>It not easy but it is not super hard either. It can be accomplished and I have known several people who have played through the modules and enjoyed them. This is a playstyle issue there are players like this guy who does not like puzzles or mysteries. But other players do I love them more than I like combat. Since I was not at this DM table I am not going to say the DM was bad he had other players at the table were they having fun and was it just this guy who was getting angry. It sounds to me that this guy has a very different playstyle and does not handle failure really well. The clues do come up as part of the investigation they are there if you look for them. The one module does give you quests to lead to you the final answer. </p><p></p><p>Are you telling me you have never played in a game where you can't figure something out? It happens it is part of the game solving mysteries and puzzles is the sa,e as combat you don't always win at combat. Sometimes players fail. </p><p></p><p>My point is modules are liner they need to be run basically liner in the one with succubus they lay out some clues but not enough to really solve it without going on the rest of the quests and as you accomplish each quests you get more clues. If you pay attention then you have figured it out that you are facing a succubus in her lair if you don't figure it out it is a surprise but survivable. But the end is the same.</p><p></p><p>And DMs allowed it but not in the games I played in are DM if a player tried to pull that he would get called out not just by the DM but the other players as well. If you have a low chr don't try and bring in your natural ability as a fast talker because it is not going to fly. DMs need to stand up to players who pull this and say no you don't. </p><p></p><p>No my advice is not dumb it is called being a grown up and not an entitled brat. In a relationship both people compromise if it is a healthy one that does not mean she never gets to eat seafood again because you don't like it. My one Ex loved golf which I hate with a passion but I went to tournaments to watch him play but then he hated opera and the ballet but he took me to them because I loved them. </p><p></p><p>person a I don't like X</p><p></p><p>person b well it is my turn to pick next time you pick </p><p></p><p>person A but I awlays pick things you like too.</p><p></p><p>person B but I am not asking you to do that please pick where you really want to go</p><p></p><p>If you are talking about the game </p><p></p><p>person a I don't like X</p><p></p><p>person b but other players do I will make sure thatI also put in things you enjoy</p><p></p><p>person A tries it does not like it and tell person a</p><p></p><p>person B well I am sorry but others like it so I guess you need to decide what you are going to do.</p><p></p><p>Well according to the DM his stats were basically a 29 point buy his issues was that other player rolled better so I think he would have had the same issue in my game. </p><p></p><p>We will have to agree to disagree that 3.5 core is broken because imo that is a load of horse manure. Again you are not grasping the issue it is not that everything in the supplements are broken it is the more options you have like prestige classes, new feats, spells and classes that can be used to break the game in a way the designers didn't anticipate. If using just core or say using just one supplement like say races of the dragon it is much harder to come up with a PC that is so overpowered that they are breaking the game because you have limited options to do so. </p><p></p><p>I have always said that DMs and players should communicate and if possible work it out but in the end the DM has the final say and if the players does not like it he needs to decide if he stays or leaves. </p><p></p><p>There are many DMs I know that don't allow much third party stuff in the game if you know your DM feels this way then if you spend the money on the supplement you are really can't expect him to say yes just because you spent money on a book. He didn't make you buy the book. You can DM amd use the book in your game or find a DM who will let you use it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6406039, member: 9037"] No he is not being a jerk. If the DM invited you upfront and said we are skydiving and boxing and then you come and make a fuss you are the ome being a jerk. It not easy but it is not super hard either. It can be accomplished and I have known several people who have played through the modules and enjoyed them. This is a playstyle issue there are players like this guy who does not like puzzles or mysteries. But other players do I love them more than I like combat. Since I was not at this DM table I am not going to say the DM was bad he had other players at the table were they having fun and was it just this guy who was getting angry. It sounds to me that this guy has a very different playstyle and does not handle failure really well. The clues do come up as part of the investigation they are there if you look for them. The one module does give you quests to lead to you the final answer. Are you telling me you have never played in a game where you can't figure something out? It happens it is part of the game solving mysteries and puzzles is the sa,e as combat you don't always win at combat. Sometimes players fail. My point is modules are liner they need to be run basically liner in the one with succubus they lay out some clues but not enough to really solve it without going on the rest of the quests and as you accomplish each quests you get more clues. If you pay attention then you have figured it out that you are facing a succubus in her lair if you don't figure it out it is a surprise but survivable. But the end is the same. And DMs allowed it but not in the games I played in are DM if a player tried to pull that he would get called out not just by the DM but the other players as well. If you have a low chr don't try and bring in your natural ability as a fast talker because it is not going to fly. DMs need to stand up to players who pull this and say no you don't. No my advice is not dumb it is called being a grown up and not an entitled brat. In a relationship both people compromise if it is a healthy one that does not mean she never gets to eat seafood again because you don't like it. My one Ex loved golf which I hate with a passion but I went to tournaments to watch him play but then he hated opera and the ballet but he took me to them because I loved them. person a I don't like X person b well it is my turn to pick next time you pick person A but I awlays pick things you like too. person B but I am not asking you to do that please pick where you really want to go If you are talking about the game person a I don't like X person b but other players do I will make sure thatI also put in things you enjoy person A tries it does not like it and tell person a person B well I am sorry but others like it so I guess you need to decide what you are going to do. Well according to the DM his stats were basically a 29 point buy his issues was that other player rolled better so I think he would have had the same issue in my game. We will have to agree to disagree that 3.5 core is broken because imo that is a load of horse manure. Again you are not grasping the issue it is not that everything in the supplements are broken it is the more options you have like prestige classes, new feats, spells and classes that can be used to break the game in a way the designers didn't anticipate. If using just core or say using just one supplement like say races of the dragon it is much harder to come up with a PC that is so overpowered that they are breaking the game because you have limited options to do so. I have always said that DMs and players should communicate and if possible work it out but in the end the DM has the final say and if the players does not like it he needs to decide if he stays or leaves. There are many DMs I know that don't allow much third party stuff in the game if you know your DM feels this way then if you spend the money on the supplement you are really can't expect him to say yes just because you spent money on a book. He didn't make you buy the book. You can DM amd use the book in your game or find a DM who will let you use it. [/QUOTE]
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