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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6406084" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>some how I doubt (but I will concead if it is the case) the DM said "Hey this mod is no skill checks all player skill" so bad analogy...</p><p></p><p> </p><p>of course it can... it is entirely dependent on the players getting in the right mind set... so it could work or could blow up horrid,.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>wait no one said he didn't like mysteries... just he wants mysteries to rely on in game resources not out of game knowledge...</p><p></p><p> nope happens all the time both as a player and a DM... when I DM I throw out more hints or ask for int or wis checks...</p><p></p><p> yea, but imagine if your DM made you loose a fight because you couldn't out fight him (as apposed to out think in a mystery) even if your character was better then you at combat...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't mind liner I mind only one way... and it seems very one way..</p><p> so if I was playing in that mod as a Barbarian with an 8 int and 9 wis... what would you say if I figured out the mystry? is that the same?</p><p></p><p> </p><p>no it is dumb because your advice was to do exactly what I did...</p><p></p><p> again... you are argueing something else not my example... I did exactly what you suggested, so no brats...</p><p></p><p>what are you talking about... who suggested that? We could eat at a place that serves seafood and non seafood, we could eat out with our friends at different reastrants, or I could over 6 months 3 times eat at this place that serves no entrée I like... but at no point was it ever suggested that she not eat anything...</p><p> but did he expect you to play and enjoy golf even if you do not enjoy it? I bet he didn't I bet he would love if you tried even if you didn't like it...</p><p></p><p> not what happened in the game or the dateing... are you reading what I wrote?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> no his was below that and there's above...</p><p></p><p> wait you believe that 3.5 core is balanced? so a Druid and Monk are totally on par? if so you are in denile and we will have to just forget this whole train of thought...</p><p></p><p></p><p> I entirely agree, but since you can make a MORE balanced game from supplimints then core I find that a hard postion to defend...</p><p></p><p> Human barbarian 1 Cleric X where x= all levels after first... I have seen it core only ruin many games by power gamers...</p><p></p><p> and I disagree DMs may have final say but they should rarely if ever have to use it, and no where near as much as is thrown around this thread...</p><p></p><p>I know very few people who allow third party stuff, but that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about routinely showing up saying "Hey can I play this basic concept" and the DM basicly saying "No, I don't like it so neaither should you"</p><p></p><p> are we talking about the same thing? Even if I take every page of every book in 3.5 that has warlock stuff on it takes up a lot less then the phb gives to spells. ANd no one has to learn all of them. You start with 2-3 powers, then as you level I don't get one every level... so less then 20 powers the DM needs to know over 20 levels...</p><p></p><p>I really have no idea what you are talking about, it is not a different mode of character building it is just like building a fighter or rogue... a lot less complex then any other caster...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6406084, member: 67338"] some how I doubt (but I will concead if it is the case) the DM said "Hey this mod is no skill checks all player skill" so bad analogy... of course it can... it is entirely dependent on the players getting in the right mind set... so it could work or could blow up horrid,. wait no one said he didn't like mysteries... just he wants mysteries to rely on in game resources not out of game knowledge... nope happens all the time both as a player and a DM... when I DM I throw out more hints or ask for int or wis checks... yea, but imagine if your DM made you loose a fight because you couldn't out fight him (as apposed to out think in a mystery) even if your character was better then you at combat... I don't mind liner I mind only one way... and it seems very one way.. so if I was playing in that mod as a Barbarian with an 8 int and 9 wis... what would you say if I figured out the mystry? is that the same? no it is dumb because your advice was to do exactly what I did... again... you are argueing something else not my example... I did exactly what you suggested, so no brats... what are you talking about... who suggested that? We could eat at a place that serves seafood and non seafood, we could eat out with our friends at different reastrants, or I could over 6 months 3 times eat at this place that serves no entrée I like... but at no point was it ever suggested that she not eat anything... but did he expect you to play and enjoy golf even if you do not enjoy it? I bet he didn't I bet he would love if you tried even if you didn't like it... not what happened in the game or the dateing... are you reading what I wrote? no his was below that and there's above... wait you believe that 3.5 core is balanced? so a Druid and Monk are totally on par? if so you are in denile and we will have to just forget this whole train of thought... I entirely agree, but since you can make a MORE balanced game from supplimints then core I find that a hard postion to defend... Human barbarian 1 Cleric X where x= all levels after first... I have seen it core only ruin many games by power gamers... and I disagree DMs may have final say but they should rarely if ever have to use it, and no where near as much as is thrown around this thread... I know very few people who allow third party stuff, but that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about routinely showing up saying "Hey can I play this basic concept" and the DM basicly saying "No, I don't like it so neaither should you" are we talking about the same thing? Even if I take every page of every book in 3.5 that has warlock stuff on it takes up a lot less then the phb gives to spells. ANd no one has to learn all of them. You start with 2-3 powers, then as you level I don't get one every level... so less then 20 powers the DM needs to know over 20 levels... I really have no idea what you are talking about, it is not a different mode of character building it is just like building a fighter or rogue... a lot less complex then any other caster... [/QUOTE]
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