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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6408203" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>First, apologies for being away, been busy.</p><p></p><p>I did say that having better DMs is more important. You replied saying: "Whereas I disagree. I want the players as engaged as they can be."</p><p>You set up wanting players to be engaged as they can be as a point of disagreement. That is absurd and doesn't reflect anything I said.</p><p>It is obvious that one can (and would) want players to be engaged as possible and still experience that the difference in an engaged DM makes a far bigger difference than engaged players. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see where YOU are going with this as a reply to what *I* said.</p><p></p><p>YOU are the one that described players as people who pout and bring the game down. I already replied regarding your description of this boolean nature in players as you have apparently experienced them.</p><p>YOU are also the one that described engaged DMs as being consistently strong-armed jerks.</p><p></p><p>So, clearly neither of us are describing a "zero-sum" game. But the difference in which side we prefer emphasis comes down to our experiences.</p><p>I've experienced good players who work with the group. You have experienced players who get upset and show it if they don't get their way.</p><p>I've experience engaged DMs who create great games. You have experienced engaged DMs who use it as an excuse to bully players.</p><p></p><p>Seeing it as you have described it, I completely respect your opinion.</p><p>But I'm going to stand by my experience and simply wish you luck in finding better people to share a table with in the future.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6408203, member: 957"] First, apologies for being away, been busy. I did say that having better DMs is more important. You replied saying: "Whereas I disagree. I want the players as engaged as they can be." You set up wanting players to be engaged as they can be as a point of disagreement. That is absurd and doesn't reflect anything I said. It is obvious that one can (and would) want players to be engaged as possible and still experience that the difference in an engaged DM makes a far bigger difference than engaged players. I don't see where YOU are going with this as a reply to what *I* said. YOU are the one that described players as people who pout and bring the game down. I already replied regarding your description of this boolean nature in players as you have apparently experienced them. YOU are also the one that described engaged DMs as being consistently strong-armed jerks. So, clearly neither of us are describing a "zero-sum" game. But the difference in which side we prefer emphasis comes down to our experiences. I've experienced good players who work with the group. You have experienced players who get upset and show it if they don't get their way. I've experience engaged DMs who create great games. You have experienced engaged DMs who use it as an excuse to bully players. Seeing it as you have described it, I completely respect your opinion. But I'm going to stand by my experience and simply wish you luck in finding better people to share a table with in the future. [/QUOTE]
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