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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7867235" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>This is the kind of thought which I call "pre-coffee morning idea", meaning something that definitely makes sense BUT is delivered before recalling the bigger picture and considering pros and cons. In fact, the norm of 5e subclasses it <em>not to start at 1st level</em>, because they already represent a step forward specialization. Some classes (Cleric, Sorcerer, Warlock) get it at 1st level only because the subclass <em>also </em>represents the <em>origin</em> or <em>source</em> of their power from a narrative point of view (as in, how could it not be defined since the start who is your patron or deity?). </p><p></p><p>If it wasn't for that, all classes would have got their subclass after 1st level, so as to leave room for an "apprentice" time. The opposite can in fact also be said, that it's a shame you are forced to choose e.g. a Wizard subclass before you had at least some time to grasp how magic works (both from the player's and character's point of view). Now, if people after 5 years are now bored of the apprentice tier, they should just start a campaign at level 3, instead of complaining about what they asked for. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The latest Unearthed Arcana just nailed it perfectly with the Superior Technique fighting style! It's an awesome idea on so many levels:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">it integrates perfectly with the (super simple) framework of Fighting Styles</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">it allows to use more often one of the best mechanics of the game (Superiority Dice)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">it's an option i.e. a <em>choice</em>, not a free enhancement</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maneuvers can be easily expanded adding more, and going to different directions</li> </ul><p></p><p>With this Superior Technique option, you can immediately earn one Warlord-style maneuver from the PHB list at 1st level. Then you can choose Battlemaster at 3rd to learn more, but you can also choose any different subclass and get more Warlord-style maneuvers by spending a feat on Martial Adept.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 7867235, member: 1465"] This is the kind of thought which I call "pre-coffee morning idea", meaning something that definitely makes sense BUT is delivered before recalling the bigger picture and considering pros and cons. In fact, the norm of 5e subclasses it [I]not to start at 1st level[/I], because they already represent a step forward specialization. Some classes (Cleric, Sorcerer, Warlock) get it at 1st level only because the subclass [I]also [/I]represents the [I]origin[/I] or [I]source[/I] of their power from a narrative point of view (as in, how could it not be defined since the start who is your patron or deity?). If it wasn't for that, all classes would have got their subclass after 1st level, so as to leave room for an "apprentice" time. The opposite can in fact also be said, that it's a shame you are forced to choose e.g. a Wizard subclass before you had at least some time to grasp how magic works (both from the player's and character's point of view). Now, if people after 5 years are now bored of the apprentice tier, they should just start a campaign at level 3, instead of complaining about what they asked for. The latest Unearthed Arcana just nailed it perfectly with the Superior Technique fighting style! It's an awesome idea on so many levels: [LIST] [*]it integrates perfectly with the (super simple) framework of Fighting Styles [*]it allows to use more often one of the best mechanics of the game (Superiority Dice) [*]it's an option i.e. a [I]choice[/I], not a free enhancement [*]Maneuvers can be easily expanded adding more, and going to different directions [/LIST] With this Superior Technique option, you can immediately earn one Warlord-style maneuver from the PHB list at 1st level. Then you can choose Battlemaster at 3rd to learn more, but you can also choose any different subclass and get more Warlord-style maneuvers by spending a feat on Martial Adept. [/QUOTE]
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