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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8622728" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Even the games you list have some sense of emulation, they're trying to emulate a certain style of fiction and view of a shared world.&nbsp; The players have to buy in to shared concepts of things that are happening outside of the game rules.&nbsp; There may be very, very little simulation but I disagree that there is none.&nbsp; Again, you seem to be basing this on &quot;it must have X percentage&quot; which is not what I'm saying.I don't think GNS is useful, especially for games with the flexibility of D&amp;D except perhaps for people that just like to argue about how their intangible opinion is &quot;correct&quot;.&nbsp; People that play D&amp;D can stress different aspects, or not.&nbsp; Just look at the Role of the Dice chapter in the DMG. Want a more gamist approach?&nbsp; Always use dice to resolve uncertainty.&nbsp; A more narrativist approach?&nbsp; Ignore the dice. The only games I would consider truly [only] gamist would be something like chess or MtG.&nbsp; If you want to claim that in your opinion there is no simulation in the games you listed, go for it. I won't stop you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8622728, member: 6801845"] Even the games you list have some sense of emulation, they're trying to emulate a certain style of fiction and view of a shared world. The players have to buy in to shared concepts of things that are happening outside of the game rules. There may be very, very little simulation but I disagree that there is [I]none[/I]. Again, you seem to be basing this on "it must have X percentage" which is not what I'm saying. I don't think GNS is useful, especially for games with the flexibility of D&D except perhaps for people that just like to argue about how their intangible opinion is "correct". People that play D&D can stress different aspects, or not. Just look at the Role of the Dice chapter in the DMG. Want a more gamist approach? Always use dice to resolve uncertainty. A more narrativist approach? Ignore the dice. The only games I would consider truly [only] gamist would be something like chess or MtG. If you want to claim that in your opinion there is no simulation in the games you listed, go for it. I won't stop you. [/QUOTE]

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