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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8628365" data-attributes="member: 71699">I am thinking also of the matter of degree of challenge. Suppose we take gamism to be just narrowly oriented to challenge: we might then suppose that if I want a tough tactical situation with losing very much on the table, a gamist system is one that must satisfy me. But what if I want an easy tactical situation with winning almost guaranteed? That can be equally satisfied by a gamist system, right, just one dialled to easy. Still, the former player with the gamist agenda is not at all satisfied by the latter game tailored to suit a gamist agenda. An apparent paradox!Bottomline, I don't think we can say 5th edition is gamist or not gamist, just on the basis of degree of challenge. I am not saying others are doing that, I am speaking here to rule it out (or at least, raise the notion that it should be ruled out). Perhaps the deeper concern, however, is the apparent paradox considering degree of challenge flags up.</blockquote>