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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crimson Longinus" data-source="post: 8629704" data-attributes="member: 7025508">Right. So here you are stating the defining factor is the relationship of the person to the subject matter, either audience or the creator.Obfuscating part is all the talk about points and dramatic needs of characters and all that. If the actual defining part is whether the player is creator of audience of the fiction, then say that. Why would it matter for this whether the created/enjoyed fiction has a point or says something about dramatic needs of the character? Why are things weirdly conflated?Yes, in a sense. But no RPG is a solid affair where nothing changes. We can establish a thing (Ser Geralt is an honourable man) and then either intentionally or emergently test it in play (Ser Geralt ends up in a situation where he must choose between his honour and his other priorities (any good character has multiple priorities.))The idea that such things would be set in stone and never questioned or tested seems very alien to me, and I really don't think that is a typical way most people approach these things.So rail-roading? Well, let's not do that then! As for alignment, it is pretty much vestigial in 5e, and a lot of people simply ignore it. I haven't put it on character sheets at least since the third edition.You seem to have very specific, and I would say outdated view of how people play games like D&D. Like sure, people certainly still play railrady adventure paths (I mean they're sold by WotC so presumably people play them) but that's not the only way or not necessarily even the dominant one. Has this again been one of your attempts to smuggle in setting editing powers into discussion by wording things vaguely? That if the GM, and not the player, created the NPC which results Ser Geralt ending up in position in which his honour was tested it somehow doesn't count? Otherwise I don't understand your doubt on the matter at all. What on Earth would you lead to thinking that 5e play somehow would not include situations in which characters' beliefs, values and commitments would be tested?</blockquote>

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