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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8630628" data-attributes="member: 71699">It's true, but shouldn't we then admit it is subjective? Folk can commit to GNS and do their thing staying within the lines it draws. Others can smudge out those lines and draw them in different places. Both can work.Committing to the model will take those committed to it roughly where they might expect.I directly referenced GDS, GNS and GEN in my OP. As [USER=7026617]@Thomas Shey[/USER] noted, nar enthusiasts have a way of hijacking the conversation. Firmly rejecting every other possibility, usually at length, and using their model to prove itself righteous. This thread was a question about D&D / gamist. Legions of pixels have fallen to nar. Suggestive of just how much the model has of worth to say about gamist.</blockquote>