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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8632965" data-attributes="member: 71699">[EDIT please refer to <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/supposing-d-d-is-gamist-what-does-that-mean.687974/post-8633141" target="_blank">my post #1283</a> further below, for my current take.]Inspired by [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER]'s binaries, I wanted to get down something I felt could fall within what others might also recognise as gamist.Skill - ArenaSystem or some authorities define skill, which is then tested or expressed in some arena of proof (can be multiple). This is a satisfying and thrilling aspect of gamism, that we see everywhere. Balance is most at issue to this binary. Nod to [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] for this one of course.Offer - RiskAn offer made for the consideration of some stakes at some odds. A good example is the likelihood of terminating use of a character costing at least the time invested in developing it, in exchange for increased future power. Often connects with Skill - Arena, but isn't Skill - Arena. For example, high Skill may produce a confidence that the odds are better. Or risk taking in the Arena may result in the Skill display becoming more thrilling. Noticeable sympathies with Edwards' performance with risk.Tempo - FlowTempo is the ratio among players of opportunities to influence the game state. Flow is the state and experience of effortless performance. The two are connected (in games) by the necessity of becoming one with tempo in order to enter flow. Flow isn't only a consequence of system (or tempo) so it can occur elsewhere. Group flow is also possible.Construct - PerfectPerfection is the neurotic satisfaction in a tidy or controlled game state. Construction includes constructing a collection, and is found in all the places that players can make a choice to achieve a satisfying neatness and completeness. In RPG, it's noticeable in choices on offer in a system that "click" together. It can be mistaken for a concern for balance, where it is in fact concern for preservation and fulfillment of pattern.When I ask, is D&D gamist and why that matters, maybe that could be understood to be a question as to what D&D offers on the left-hand side, oriented toward the desired experiences or purposes found on the right-hand side. Friction has arisen where one poster or another has proposed an exclusive categorisation. That dissolves if we can accept that D&D could be gamist, and fit other characterisations too. This is a skeptical position as to what we might conclusively say taxonomically (i.e. we can't conclusively say anything.)</blockquote>

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