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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8633179" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Its largely an artifact of RPGing being focused on adventure fiction.&nbsp; While there's some theoretical models in there for competitive but non-violent gamist play (man against nature has some potential for example) mechanics are rarely developed enough for it, and frankly, freeform play in that area rarely involves people as a group who are knowledgeable enough to make it work that way).&nbsp; But there's nothing intrinsic in gamism that requires violence; that its usually the part that has a lot of that engagement is a largely historical artifact of the evolution and development of RPGs.(I've often thought even some trad games could use better developed subsystem for this reason, but that tends to go up against the resistance a lot of people have to &quot;complexity&quot;).I'd tend to agree.&nbsp; Like the infamous Social discussion back in the r.g.f.a. days, it seems on a different tier of interest than the others at hand.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8633179, member: 7026617"] Its largely an artifact of RPGing being focused on adventure fiction. While there's some theoretical models in there for competitive but non-violent gamist play (man against nature has some potential for example) mechanics are rarely developed enough for it, and frankly, freeform play in that area rarely involves people as a group who are knowledgeable enough to make it work that way). But there's nothing intrinsic in gamism that requires violence; that its usually the part that has a lot of that engagement is a largely historical artifact of the evolution and development of RPGs. (I've often thought even some trad games could use better developed subsystem for this reason, but that tends to go up against the resistance a lot of people have to "complexity"). I'd tend to agree. Like the infamous Social discussion back in the r.g.f.a. days, it seems on a different tier of interest than the others at hand. [/QUOTE]

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