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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8634858" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>I found that "privileged as an exception" wording jarring. For me, describing a quality in one game is silent on its presence or lack in others.</p><p></p><p>It's fairly common knowledge among game designers that a system can be built for expressiveness and designability. PbtA is a great example, although it's approach is very different from 5e. Expressiveness isn't the same as designability, and 5e and PbtA have both.</p><p></p><p>Designability let's you prototype deftly. So that there is a high probability your design will work. 5e carries over some bad habits from 3e: it's modularity isn't quite as modular as it looks. Not all RPGs are equal on these qualities. Possibly of greater interest are the different ways it can be achieved.</p><p></p><p>But anyway, I wanted to say that I can appreciate that if I disliked 5e it could vex me to have it dominate the discourse! This is a thread on D&D so it naturally is very relevant here. If I mean a contrast in the form "Y does thing better than X" I will try to make that obvious.</p><p></p><p>[EDIT In several responses I sense a shared concern for a dichotomy. Game quality is not a dichotomy: the presence or degree of a quality in one game doesn't make it any less available to others.]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8634858, member: 71699"] I found that "privileged as an exception" wording jarring. For me, describing a quality in one game is silent on its presence or lack in others. It's fairly common knowledge among game designers that a system can be built for expressiveness and designability. PbtA is a great example, although it's approach is very different from 5e. Expressiveness isn't the same as designability, and 5e and PbtA have both. Designability let's you prototype deftly. So that there is a high probability your design will work. 5e carries over some bad habits from 3e: it's modularity isn't quite as modular as it looks. Not all RPGs are equal on these qualities. Possibly of greater interest are the different ways it can be achieved. But anyway, I wanted to say that I can appreciate that if I disliked 5e it could vex me to have it dominate the discourse! This is a thread on D&D so it naturally is very relevant here. If I mean a contrast in the form "Y does thing better than X" I will try to make that obvious. [EDIT In several responses I sense a shared concern for a dichotomy. Game quality is not a dichotomy: the presence or degree of a quality in one game doesn't make it any less available to others.] [/QUOTE]
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