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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8636746" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>As far as I can make out then, we're in agreement that they are dichotomous.</p><p></p><p>EDIT Note however the potential for differences in meaning between "pure shared authorship" and "not pre-authored". I did mean on-the-fly and everyone did take it that way, so for me the rewording is okay. If it turns out that "not pre-authored" was intended to mean something different we may then have to unpack that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That seems partly right. We might also separate them on grounds of the actions taken in authorship and the participants in those actions. Of course, in my thought-experiment I'm not ignoring the temporal dimension (as implied by "pre".) </p><p></p><p>EDIT I assume you do not intend anything significant in dropping the "shared" part of authorship on-the-fly, i.e. you were rephrasing only to emphasise the conflicting temporality. Right?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you expand on your thought here, as it does not seem to follow from the above.</p><p></p><p>EDIT Do you mean just that it does not guarantee any separation in quality? If so, yes, agreed. I do not think they are necessarily dichotomous on qualities like vividness or inhabitability (although it is possible for them to differ on such qualities). I do feel that Stonetop's worldbuild is vivid and inhabitable.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, good. I do not say it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What is the colour of that which is yet to be created? I am associating a known colour with an object I see before me, and am silent about the unknown colour of an object that has yet to be created (and by others, at that.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>His wording obscured his meaning for me. Thank you, on re-reading I see you are correct. Why then did you introduce this quote at the juncture it appears up-thread?</p><p></p><p>EDIT Ah, I found it. Was it only to say that</p><p></p><p>Which I would agree with. I took your meaning to be more emphatic: i.e. to say that no pre-authored material could be conducive to story now play. It is good to have that now cleared up.</p><p></p><p>2nd EDIT As an additional note, before posting up-thread I did re-read his "I'm not saying..." line a few times to grasp it's meaning. In context with your <em>apparent</em> thoroughgoing disagreement with my arguments, I guessed he could be implying that not all "Narrativist" play is "story now" play, i.e. perhaps there he meant to imply that here are forms of narrativist play that could deemphasise the now. (In that light, he was criticising OTE primarily for its harms to the now.) It would be helpful to know then - in your view, when Edwards uses the term "Narrativist", is that <em>always</em> a synonym of "story now"?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The post I responded to implied to me that it was overlooking the worldbuilding in Stonetop. Both Stonetop and LotR have a great deal of worldbuilding, e.g. the former has 229 pages worth. I pointed that weight of text out only to emphasise that it is not the worldbuilding that is genuinely at issue. It was very much my point that 229 pages or even more of pre-authored worldbuilding presents no obstacle to "story now".</p><p></p><p>We are in agreement so far as I can work out <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8636746, member: 71699"] As far as I can make out then, we're in agreement that they are dichotomous. EDIT Note however the potential for differences in meaning between "pure shared authorship" and "not pre-authored". I did mean on-the-fly and everyone did take it that way, so for me the rewording is okay. If it turns out that "not pre-authored" was intended to mean something different we may then have to unpack that. That seems partly right. We might also separate them on grounds of the actions taken in authorship and the participants in those actions. Of course, in my thought-experiment I'm not ignoring the temporal dimension (as implied by "pre".) EDIT I assume you do not intend anything significant in dropping the "shared" part of authorship on-the-fly, i.e. you were rephrasing only to emphasise the conflicting temporality. Right? Can you expand on your thought here, as it does not seem to follow from the above. EDIT Do you mean just that it does not guarantee any separation in quality? If so, yes, agreed. I do not think they are necessarily dichotomous on qualities like vividness or inhabitability (although it is possible for them to differ on such qualities). I do feel that Stonetop's worldbuild is vivid and inhabitable. Okay, good. I do not say it. What is the colour of that which is yet to be created? I am associating a known colour with an object I see before me, and am silent about the unknown colour of an object that has yet to be created (and by others, at that.) His wording obscured his meaning for me. Thank you, on re-reading I see you are correct. Why then did you introduce this quote at the juncture it appears up-thread? EDIT Ah, I found it. Was it only to say that Which I would agree with. I took your meaning to be more emphatic: i.e. to say that no pre-authored material could be conducive to story now play. It is good to have that now cleared up. 2nd EDIT As an additional note, before posting up-thread I did re-read his "I'm not saying..." line a few times to grasp it's meaning. In context with your [I]apparent[/I] thoroughgoing disagreement with my arguments, I guessed he could be implying that not all "Narrativist" play is "story now" play, i.e. perhaps there he meant to imply that here are forms of narrativist play that could deemphasise the now. (In that light, he was criticising OTE primarily for its harms to the now.) It would be helpful to know then - in your view, when Edwards uses the term "Narrativist", is that [I]always[/I] a synonym of "story now"? The post I responded to implied to me that it was overlooking the worldbuilding in Stonetop. Both Stonetop and LotR have a great deal of worldbuilding, e.g. the former has 229 pages worth. I pointed that weight of text out only to emphasise that it is not the worldbuilding that is genuinely at issue. It was very much my point that 229 pages or even more of pre-authored worldbuilding presents no obstacle to "story now". We are in agreement so far as I can work out :) [/QUOTE]
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