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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8642301" data-attributes="member: 5142">If you want to accuse me of "bad faith takes," then maybe don't make your own bad faith takes about mine, okay? Okay. Now imagine how it must be like on my end to be accused of hostility and "some very bad faith takes on what [you] wrote earlier." I can attest to my own lack of hostility towards you, though these accusations against me certainly put that to the test. It has left me feeling pretty flabbergasted and frustrated by the whole thing.Consider this exchange:Woah! That escalated quickly out of nothing! You established that you have run both from start to finish and reviewed both texts. You claim that one is an improvement over the other. I follow that up by asking you for examples of what concrete rules and play procedures make it an improvement. Then you jump to accusing me of being hostile from that?But going back to an earlier post, my point with the adages and state motto (quoted in-part because of a certain degree homesickness for my homestate) is that just because something "seems" more possible/plausible that it should be more replete, doesn't mean that it "is." I get that one has a higher page count than the other. It should seem plausible/possible (our word choice here varies), but that tells us nothing concrete about the quality of the respective systems regarding hexploration or how one would be an improvement over the other. We need to investigate the claim so that we see how it is rather than how it seems. And we do so through concrete examples of the play procedures, rules, and tools in these respective games.If you strive to listen and offer principled arguments, then I would start by not reading hostility where there is none when I ask you for some concrete examples of what you mean by ToA being more replete than X1 and then mock me by saying that you have been "rebutted" in quotation marks with your own string of bad faith takes on my posts. I also have no earthly idea where I have implied doubts as to your integrity. When you do all that, you are far more likely to generate hostility out of nothing than defuse hostility that may have been there.It's much as [USER=70468]@kenada[/USER] says. I thought that the intent of my "last couple of posts" was pretty clear. We may have differences of opinion. We may not. I have even suggested as much <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/supposing-d-d-is-gamist-what-does-that-mean.687974/post-8642134" target="_blank">earlier</a>. We can't get around to determining that, however, because of the dancing around vague notions of the more "replete" game without concretely comparing any actual concrete rules or tools between the two. As you are the person who wants to argue that one is more replete than the other and have actual experience with running both, I'm curious about why you think so. Simply pointing to chapters and pages isn't helpful, again much for the reasons that kenada has stated. Simply pointing to chapters or pages suggests that the argument should be self-apparent. I don't think that it is. I have read the 5e PHB and DMG. I am less familiar with ToA: I have a copy, but I haven't run it.If you want a way forward, I would suggest reviewing the below without the urge to read hostility in my post.I suspect any "chorus of likes" for these posts has far more to do with my genuine desire to move our hexploration discussion towards comparing concrete rules, tools, and play procedures between the two respective systems and aforementioned adventures using actual examples without accusations of hostility than any self-perceived slights against your own person.</blockquote>

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