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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8695065" data-attributes="member: 71699">What seems to be at issue is the degree of obligation on what others say when one player declares they have some item.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">System A: player decides in advance how many slots their character has<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">they can later declare they have any item that fits those slots (using them up as they do so)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">others are obliged to agree</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">System B: player decides in advance what items their character has<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">they may later declare they have some item they didn't decide on in advance</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">others aren't obliged to agree; they're only obliged to agree that they have the items decided on in advance</li> </ul></li> </ul>The systems I would contrast for A and B would be BitD and TB2. To me, the comparison with Knowledge checks would imply a system like this<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">System C: player decides in advance the probabilities their character has of having items<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">they can later declare they have an item and make a roll (just as items in A have slot-values, items in C will have target numbers)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">others are obliged to agree, iff they make their roll</li> </ul></li> </ul>Regarding C, per RAW DM isn't calling for an ability check in 5e just to find out if a character knows something. They're only calling for roll because there are meaningful consequences. An example might be where it matters that the character can recall the author of a painting at a glance. Another example could be where an obscure fact such as the precise time and place it was painted matters. I think one can concede that a character has the requisite knowledge, without conceding that they can always recall it in an instant, or recall every precise detail. Bearing in mind that in 5e where time-taken doesn't matter, the recollection if possible always succeeds (simply taking longer... perhaps a visit to a library, consultation with a friend, or a good ponder.) For me at least 5e doesn't here supply the best analogy.</blockquote>

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