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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5042875" data-attributes="member: 71571">Uh.  No.  I said "I wasn't sure if I would go Lyrander or Daggermaster with this guy."  Both have their advantages.  Lyrander has more powers that are Thunder, Daggermaster has that critical thing.  Either way, getting 19-20 range on crits in epic isn't tough.But, yes, I claim that -any- PP that says '+1 to hit with all your powers, +Attribute mod to damage with all your powers' has tremendous upside.  And the powers it has aren't terrible either.  It's a Paragon Path that makes -every single thing your character does better.-  That's not a 'waste of a Paragon Path.'  That's called a 'perfect fit.'  Daggermaster would be a 'waste' as it only has one path feature that fits a couple feats in the build, yet that path feature is so good it's worthy of consideration; the rest of Daggermaster is -subpar- for a storm sorcerer.Of course, you're comparing the extensive network of feats cold gives you to work with, with a single PP class feature.  It's a false comparison, and ignores the rest of the point, which is that thunder/lightning has so much feat support that cold gets left in the dust. This is the list of bonuses thunder/lightning build gets you:+Tier damage when bloodied-Heroic tier+Tier damage after hitting-Heroic tier+1 to hit after hitting-Heroic tierCrits do damage to secondary target-Paragon tier+2 to a defense after attacking-Paragon tierAoEs are increased in size-Paragon tierCrits automatically do maximum damage-Epic tier.-That- is what you should be comparing to '+2 hit +5 damage'.  Not to mention many of thunder's attacks actually give you combat advantage inherently, thereby giving you that +2 to hit on top of the rest of its upside.  A frost build doesn't really -work- as a damage build until Paragon.  A thunder build, on the other hand, starts its magic in heroic... so a third of your frost striker's game is sub par, where as thunder is game through -all- tiers.Also, what does frost have to compete with 'Automatically maximize all criticals?'   Lastly, what does Frost do when it misses?  It goes down to subpar for a round until it can get that hit in.  Storm does lose a -bit- but it's not as much, and it can still rely on its other advantages.</blockquote>

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