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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 4872050" data-attributes="member: 82425">Lasting frost has been "Fairly" contraversial since inception, but Im not going to get into that (and please dont anyone else). I was just comparing these two feats. Now, I know one one heroic and one is paragon, but I would like to put that aside as well. At the end of the day on a comparison basis, Surging flame looks really weak. It adds five IF the target has fire resist, whereas lasting frost just gives 5 cold vulnrability. Meaning one gets 5 situatutionaly (and thats a situation which is detramental, i.e. your probably tempted to use non fire spells instead) whereas lasting frost give 5 always. That is unless...does imposing vulnrability on a target actually decrease resistance? If I was to think of it naturally, my answer would be "yes", but if I was to analyse it in light of this situation (and do some guesswork at designner intent) my answer would be "no". Example. Bunch of Frost archons (resist 20 cold) cannot (in my view) be made vulnrable to cold, but can vulnrability decrease the resitance? Im not so sure it works that way. If we were to hit them with something that said "reduces resistance by X" (for instance a frost sorceror) I would agree, but I would imagine that a creature that has frost resistance simply cannot have vuln placed on them. Does anyone know of a line in a book somewhere (or an official response from WOTC) that clarifies this point?</blockquote>

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