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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5926973" data-attributes="member: 43019">Surprise rounds are so broken in 4e (and 3e) that whenever an author proposes having one in an adventure I'm editing I have to tell them not to do it - basically, that if the PCs do exceptional things to get a surprise round, then great, that's fine. But just building in things to easily have one side or the other surprised? Works awfully.Being able to act twice before someone goes in systems where combats are decided in two rounds works if you don't want to actually do a combat (just narrate how the PCs win)... but it makes them _really_ suck for the PCs when they get surprised (so a lot of PCs just become immune to surprise - there's even an epic destiny that makes you have extra actions when you get surprised). It's also not at all balanced for melee vs ranged, since melee basically moves or charges, and ranged does as much as it wants to do.</blockquote>