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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8080262" data-attributes="member: 7019027">If I was playing a game and fighting an enemy, then I cast a spell to out that enemy to sleep, do I get to end combat early? If I cast the sleep spell on a BBEG (no save) and use subtle metamagic to prevent counterspelling, do I get to win since we can kill him in one strike? If I can, I will. Not even trying to metagame, in real life, I would absolutely slit people's throats by forcing them to sleep if I was mortally opposed to them. I agree we can skip the whole combat part if there isn't a chance they'd live within the rules. If you have a commoner sleeping vs a Level 20 PC, no need to roll initiative. It's basically impossible for them to survive. If we're talking about a sleeping ancient red dragon, they get their autocrits, their deadly strike damage if the dragon fails, their sneak attack. But they do not instantly kill the ancient dragon. I think this is fair.</blockquote>