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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8081421" data-attributes="member: 6787503">No, you're still doing the thing I was trying to describe by pointing out the difference between becoming surprised and staying surprised. I think it might have been more clear to point out that being surprised is not the same thing as not noticing a threat, and that therefore ceasing to be surprised is not the same thing as noticing a threat. The only time noticing a threat is important with reference to surprise is before combat starts. If you didn't notice the threat before combat starts, then when combat starts, you begin combat surprised. After that, it doesn't matter when you notice the threat. You're already surprised, and the thing that tells us how quickly you recover and stop being surprised is your place in the initiative order.To more fully address your post, I'm going to try answering two of your questions individually.No, you cease being surprised because you have recovered and adjusted to being in combat. Those with higher initiative recover more quickly.You become aware that you are under attack when combat starts. That's actually what you find so surprising because you weren't expecting it. But this does not mean that you are aware of the location of your attacker. That was already decided by a Stealth/Perception contest which you lost. When your attacker's attack hits or misses, then you become aware of his/her location.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 8081421, member: 6787503"] No, you're still doing the thing I was trying to describe by pointing out the difference between becoming surprised and staying surprised. I think it might have been more clear to point out that being surprised is not the same thing as not noticing a threat, and that therefore ceasing to be surprised is not the same thing as noticing a threat. The only time noticing a threat is important with reference to surprise is [I]before [/I]combat starts. If you didn't notice the threat [I]before [/I]combat starts, then when combat starts, you begin combat surprised. After that, it doesn't matter when you notice the threat. You're already surprised, and the thing that tells us how quickly you recover and stop being surprised is your place in the initiative order. To more fully address your post, I'm going to try answering two of your questions individually. No, you cease being surprised because you have recovered and adjusted to being in combat. Those with higher initiative recover more quickly. You become aware that you are under attack when combat starts. That's actually what you find so surprising because you weren't expecting it. But this does not mean that you are aware of the location of your attacker. That was already decided by a Stealth/Perception contest which you lost. When your attacker's attack hits or misses, then you become aware of his/her location. [/QUOTE]

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