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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 460756" data-attributes="member: 6239">Relic, I like your example, but I think there a few points you are missing about initive.&nbsp; First, I think that camp at large is not surprized, they are not in the combat yet.&nbsp; If they are in the area, they are surprized as far as being shot, but their initive should be as new combatants entering the fray.&nbsp; Next, the rest of camp would come in at the top of initive order, as new combatants always do.I think another way to handle this situation, which would have the same result, is to roll initive for the APC and SPC when the guard walked toward the bush.&nbsp; They have full rounds if they can hear/see him comming.&nbsp; They aren't dealing with the camp at large now, just the lone guard.&nbsp; The APC can ready action on that one guard to spot the SPC.&nbsp; If the SPC is spotted, initive is rolled for the guard but the archer will go right before him.&nbsp; The SPC can also ready action, if he wants, to hit the guard or run.I think the difference of the whole camp vs. lone guard is a good distinction for rolling initive.&nbsp; In the case of the whole guard group spotting the SPC, I would call for initive when he was spotted.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 460756, member: 6239"] Relic, I like your example, but I think there a few points you are missing about initive. First, I think that camp at large is not surprized, they are not in the combat yet. If they are in the area, they are surprized as far as being shot, but their initive should be as new combatants entering the fray. Next, the rest of camp would come in at the top of initive order, as new combatants always do. I think another way to handle this situation, which would have the same result, is to roll initive for the APC and SPC when the guard walked toward the bush. They have full rounds if they can hear/see him comming. They aren't dealing with the camp at large now, just the lone guard. The APC can ready action on that one guard to spot the SPC. If the SPC is spotted, initive is rolled for the guard but the archer will go right before him. The SPC can also ready action, if he wants, to hit the guard or run. I think the difference of the whole camp vs. lone guard is a good distinction for rolling initive. In the case of the whole guard group spotting the SPC, I would call for initive when he was spotted. [/QUOTE]

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