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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2208641" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I'm not sure you understood my position since I gave two possibilities, both of which were straight out of RAW.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Note the word in your sentence here: "unidentified". In order to be aware of an enemy, you have to identify someone AS an enemy.</p><p></p><p>That's the difference. I suspect that the Spectre would attack any living creature. The Fighter would not attack just anyone who is on the other side of the door.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, the Spectre knows the exact location of the creatures, the Fighter does not.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In one example, the creature KNOWS and "detects" that an enemy is near.</p><p></p><p>In the other example, the creature SUSPECTS that an enemy might be near.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This goes back to the group in the original example. They suspected that the Golems and Spectre might still be there.</p><p></p><p>That gives them time to prepare if they want and possibly a bonus to a Listen roll at the door, but it does not make them aware.</p><p></p><p>Ditto for the Fighter. It makes him edgy and he might possibly reach for his sword (i.e. preparation), but he is not truly aware of an opponent. He is only aware of the possibility of an opponent.</p><p></p><p>The Spectre is definitely aware of opponents.</p><p></p><p>According to RAW, when combat starts, the Spectre is aware (and has been for several rounds), its opponents are not, so it gets a standard action before initiative is rolled. The Golems do as well because they were informed that a definite enemy is approaching.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The other thing that this does is prevent PCs from going up to every dungeon door and saying "We think something is on the other side. Therefore, we are ready and aware.".</p><p></p><p>No, they are not. They are ready (not the readied action, just suspicious), but they are not aware.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2208641, member: 2011"] I'm not sure you understood my position since I gave two possibilities, both of which were straight out of RAW. Note the word in your sentence here: "unidentified". In order to be aware of an enemy, you have to identify someone AS an enemy. That's the difference. I suspect that the Spectre would attack any living creature. The Fighter would not attack just anyone who is on the other side of the door. Additionally, the Spectre knows the exact location of the creatures, the Fighter does not. In one example, the creature KNOWS and "detects" that an enemy is near. In the other example, the creature SUSPECTS that an enemy might be near. This goes back to the group in the original example. They suspected that the Golems and Spectre might still be there. That gives them time to prepare if they want and possibly a bonus to a Listen roll at the door, but it does not make them aware. Ditto for the Fighter. It makes him edgy and he might possibly reach for his sword (i.e. preparation), but he is not truly aware of an opponent. He is only aware of the possibility of an opponent. The Spectre is definitely aware of opponents. According to RAW, when combat starts, the Spectre is aware (and has been for several rounds), its opponents are not, so it gets a standard action before initiative is rolled. The Golems do as well because they were informed that a definite enemy is approaching. The other thing that this does is prevent PCs from going up to every dungeon door and saying "We think something is on the other side. Therefore, we are ready and aware.". No, they are not. They are ready (not the readied action, just suspicious), but they are not aware. [/QUOTE]
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