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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2221107" data-attributes="member: 2011">This is kind of silly.The Spectre has the Detect ability up, so he should pretty much know exactly when the PCs might open the door (i.e. when they get right next to it more or less).The other thing that you allow with your position here of "even though the enemy on the other side of the door knows we are here, but we do not know they are here, hence, they cannot suprise us" philosophy is that at least one character did an action to open the door in the first place.With no surprise possible, you are saying that this PC effectively WINS surprise over everyone else. On his surprise round, he did one action: opening the door.Hence, your philosophy is one of the PC opening the door always gets the equivalent of a surprise action (i.e. opening the door), even over his fellow teammates (who do not get the equivalent of a surprise round action).I think the case of the Spectre is somewhat unique. It is totally aware of the PCs and their locations. This, to me, indicates that it should have an edge over them in this situation. The "awareness" rule in RAW (i.e. preparing actions rounds ahead of time and then getting a standard action before unaware opponents) handles this correctly.Your "characters are almost never surprised, especially if there is a door in the way" philosophy does not. IMO.It might be reasonable for situations where the NPCs behind the door cannot see or detect the PCs, but not for ones where they can.</blockquote>

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