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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 2223672" data-attributes="member: 545">I would put it another way.My reading of the RAW is that the Spectre is aware.  Whether the party is aware, or even the golems are aware is wide open to interpretation.Yes, the golems' status is ambiguous because we have the can of worms whether X telling Y makes Y aware.  What if X's information is incorrect?  What if X is lying but the lie turns out to be true?   What if X's information is very vague?If say so without precise & accurate details is sufficient ("Hey golems, someone is coming.") then that suggests that the party's information still counts.  Is there an expiration date on completely accurate information?What if the party cleric used Detect Evil and the spectre popped up on the radar?  Does that constitute awareness?  To the whole party if they are informed?  Again, what if information is misleading?  What if the informer purposefully misleads?  (BTW I do see this last one in actual play when a PC with a monopoly on a source of information wants to push the party into a certain direction.)The RAW does not say.My position is that the RAW works in limited situations but not in others, and that one is better off ditching the RAW and starting over.  Use the RAW for inspiration.------------------------------------------------------------------------As an aside to the main thrust of my argument...I would further add that the suggestion that spectre and golems could have moved in 5 weeks a bit odd.  Theorectically, yes.  But in your vanilla kick-in-the-door dungeon crawl the undead and constructs have been there 100 years.  And they will still be there in a 100 years if the PCs do not take them out.  If repositioning was practical, why didn't the spectre and golems move?If the spectre was not being handed a gimme by the DM, it would be apparent that either the spectre could not move, or that it has the strategic initiative of the average garden slug.Why not just have a golem open the door and attack the PCs while they are clustered in the hall?  The main reason not too is if sitting on your hands and waiting for the party to get themselves surprised were a practical strategy.(Please do not take this as a criticism of Space Coyote himself.  He is clearly being a very conscientious DM.  I just happen to disagree with his particular ruling on this matter.)</blockquote>

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