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<blockquote data-quote="CydKnight" data-source="post: 7068789" data-attributes="member: 6873462"><p>Is a response required to define consciousness? Because no response is given doesn't necessarily mean a person is unconscious. There have been many reports of people appearing unconscious and unable to provide reactions or responses to stimuli but later, when obviously conscious, being able to recall the details. </p><p></p><p>I do agree that sleep doesn't necessarily mean fully unconscious. I feel semi-conscious might be the best description but it may not be a perfect fit either. The universally accepted idea that there are different levels of sleep would seem to muddy the waters even more as to whether sleep can accurately be classified as conscious or unconscious.</p><p></p><p>While sleeping, responding to stimuli doesn't necessarily mean you know what is happening around you. You simply heard a noise or felt a touch. Rouse doesn't necessarily mean bring one to full consciousness. I could be roused from sleep by a loud noise in the middle of the night but it is highly unlikely that I can tell you the source or even the direction of that noise as accurately as I can if awake and full conscious. Conversely, if someone tiptoes through my room quietly enough while I am sleeping, there is a good chance that I won't even know it happened. I have also witnessed people not respond at all to certain tactile stimuli when sleeping. </p><p></p><p>So while certain stimuli assuredly "can" rouse one from sleeping, there is certainly no guarantee that it will. For simplicities sake I do like applying the 5E meaning of the rules for being unconscious for creatures or PCs that are sleeping even if they don't precisely mirror real life. This can largely be negated by having a party trade watches when sleeping in the open so I don't view it as such a big deal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CydKnight, post: 7068789, member: 6873462"] Is a response required to define consciousness? Because no response is given doesn't necessarily mean a person is unconscious. There have been many reports of people appearing unconscious and unable to provide reactions or responses to stimuli but later, when obviously conscious, being able to recall the details. I do agree that sleep doesn't necessarily mean fully unconscious. I feel semi-conscious might be the best description but it may not be a perfect fit either. The universally accepted idea that there are different levels of sleep would seem to muddy the waters even more as to whether sleep can accurately be classified as conscious or unconscious. While sleeping, responding to stimuli doesn't necessarily mean you know what is happening around you. You simply heard a noise or felt a touch. Rouse doesn't necessarily mean bring one to full consciousness. I could be roused from sleep by a loud noise in the middle of the night but it is highly unlikely that I can tell you the source or even the direction of that noise as accurately as I can if awake and full conscious. Conversely, if someone tiptoes through my room quietly enough while I am sleeping, there is a good chance that I won't even know it happened. I have also witnessed people not respond at all to certain tactile stimuli when sleeping. So while certain stimuli assuredly "can" rouse one from sleeping, there is certainly no guarantee that it will. For simplicities sake I do like applying the 5E meaning of the rules for being unconscious for creatures or PCs that are sleeping even if they don't precisely mirror real life. This can largely be negated by having a party trade watches when sleeping in the open so I don't view it as such a big deal. [/QUOTE]
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