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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7085158" data-attributes="member: 16814">Then you're not going with the Unconscious condition, which clearly states that Unconscious creatures are unaware of their surroundings?  I'm confused, which rules stance are you taking, here?The reason for this is that you insist that it's impossible to stab a sleeping creature -- they will always be awake for the stabbing attempt.  Given that nothing prior to the stabbing awakens the creatures (a stealthy enemy can approach without awakening), then it's the very act of stabbing that seems to be the trigger for the awakening.  I'm fairly certain that you rule that hostilities start with the declaration of the stabbing, correct?  Declaration isn't execution, that occurs only on the player's turn, but you insist that the target will be awake prior to the execution of the stabbing, so, therefore, the target awakens before hostilities actually occur.I'm sensing there's some strange metaconcept you're adhering to with 'start of combat' here, but you haven't clearly explained it.  What is the trigger for a stealthy assassin stabbing a victim that triggers awakening at the 'start of combat?'  It can no longer be the sound of drawn dagger or moonlight glinting off a blade, as you've clearly stated that you use the unconscious condition for sleeping creatures, and that makes them unaware of such things.</blockquote>