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<blockquote data-quote="Menexenus" data-source="post: 2883402" data-attributes="member: 8951">Delta makes a good distinction.&nbsp; However, to clarify, I mean *both*.&nbsp; I mean the surprise round itself (the round during which every character may only take a partial action *if* they are aware of the attack), *and* the condition of being flat-footed (which begins during the surprise round and extends until the character's initiative comes up).&nbsp; In the campaigns I am a part of, we usually skip both unless there is a reason why some characters are completely clueless about the attack.&nbsp; (But this rarely happens.)Delta points out that, even without a surprise round, players are supposed to begin the combat flat-footed until their initiative comes up.&nbsp; With regard to this point, the players in my group have always argued as follows:&nbsp; &quot;Why should I be considered flat-footed if I was aware of the threat before combat started?&quot;&nbsp; No one in my group has a good answer to that question.&nbsp; That is why we only deal with flat-footedness if there is a surprise round.&nbsp; (And since there is rarely a surprise round, we rarely deal with flat-footedness.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Menexenus, post: 2883402, member: 8951"] Delta makes a good distinction. However, to clarify, I mean *both*. I mean the surprise round itself (the round during which every character may only take a partial action *if* they are aware of the attack), *and* the condition of being flat-footed (which begins during the surprise round and extends until the character's initiative comes up). In the campaigns I am a part of, we usually skip both unless there is a reason why some characters are completely clueless about the attack. (But this rarely happens.) Delta points out that, even without a surprise round, players are supposed to begin the combat flat-footed until their initiative comes up. With regard to this point, the players in my group have always argued as follows: "Why should I be considered flat-footed if I was aware of the threat before combat started?" No one in my group has a good answer to that question. That is why we only deal with flat-footedness if there is a surprise round. (And since there is rarely a surprise round, we rarely deal with flat-footedness.) [/QUOTE]

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