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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2920046" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Some of his protests were accurate according to RAW.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it cannot. The phrase "If your mount charges" does not mean that all mounts can charge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is what the Ride skill states. Your mount cannot attack at the same time as you unless it is war-trained is the implication. There is no Ride skill that allows a non-war-trained mount to attack. This is the only "fight" manuever listed under the Ride skill. There might be one in another book, but not in RAW.</p><p></p><p>You can charge with a war-trained mount and get its attacks as well. You cannot do this with a non-war-trained mount. The non-war-trained mount can move and you can attack, but it cannot charge and have you attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Charging is listed under the special attacks section, so, the non-war-trained mount cannot charge because it cannot attack while ridden.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With 10 pulls from the bag per week and only a 1 in 5 chance of getting the Warhorse, Frank's point is that you won't be able to do this a lot and he is correct. On average, you can do it twice per week for 10 minutes each.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The question here is whether the "purposes" in the Handle Animal skill are "commands". I would not think so. I think the "perform a task or trick" in the Handle Animal skill are "commands" and the "purposes" are specialized training. But, a different DM might rule differently.</p><p></p><p>Since the heavy warhorse appears with tack, I suspect that the designers had them in mind for riding and not the other creatuers.</p><p></p><p>Getting the Rhino if purposes are not commands still means that you cannot have the Rhino charge and the PC attack since the Rhino cannot attack while being ridden (it is not war-trained). It can attack while not being ridden since attack is part of the standard Handle Animal list of "tricks and tasks".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For average and lower maneuverable creatures, the Minimum Forward Speed is half. If the creature is encumbered by medium or heavier barding and a rider, it is very difficult for it to charge successfully because it still has to move half of its speed. Frank's point was that minimum forward speed can easily creep up on you. He was incorrect about medium and heavy barding (tmk), but he was correct that low maneuverability flying mounts can easily crash if they have a rider and armor on and try to fight in flight (course, this can happen even if the flying creature is not encumbered).</p><p></p><p>For example, an average maneuverability Pegasus has a Strength of 18. Most medium sized riders with gear would put a Pegasus in a Heavy load (200 to 300 pounds) very quickly. Hence, it is difficult for a pegasus to carry a both a medium sized rider and wear barding. Its reduced speed would be 40 from 60. If it ever drops to 25 or lower (like with a short distance charge), it has to land (which it cannot since it charged) or it will fall.</p><p></p><p>Since a Charge is a special full round attack action, a Pegasus could not do a Charge as part of a Fly By Attack. So, if it charges 25 feet or less, it falls.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2920046, member: 2011"] Some of his protests were accurate according to RAW. No, it cannot. The phrase "If your mount charges" does not mean that all mounts can charge. This is what the Ride skill states. Your mount cannot attack at the same time as you unless it is war-trained is the implication. There is no Ride skill that allows a non-war-trained mount to attack. This is the only "fight" manuever listed under the Ride skill. There might be one in another book, but not in RAW. You can charge with a war-trained mount and get its attacks as well. You cannot do this with a non-war-trained mount. The non-war-trained mount can move and you can attack, but it cannot charge and have you attack. Charging is listed under the special attacks section, so, the non-war-trained mount cannot charge because it cannot attack while ridden. With 10 pulls from the bag per week and only a 1 in 5 chance of getting the Warhorse, Frank's point is that you won't be able to do this a lot and he is correct. On average, you can do it twice per week for 10 minutes each. The question here is whether the "purposes" in the Handle Animal skill are "commands". I would not think so. I think the "perform a task or trick" in the Handle Animal skill are "commands" and the "purposes" are specialized training. But, a different DM might rule differently. Since the heavy warhorse appears with tack, I suspect that the designers had them in mind for riding and not the other creatuers. Getting the Rhino if purposes are not commands still means that you cannot have the Rhino charge and the PC attack since the Rhino cannot attack while being ridden (it is not war-trained). It can attack while not being ridden since attack is part of the standard Handle Animal list of "tricks and tasks". For average and lower maneuverable creatures, the Minimum Forward Speed is half. If the creature is encumbered by medium or heavier barding and a rider, it is very difficult for it to charge successfully because it still has to move half of its speed. Frank's point was that minimum forward speed can easily creep up on you. He was incorrect about medium and heavy barding (tmk), but he was correct that low maneuverability flying mounts can easily crash if they have a rider and armor on and try to fight in flight (course, this can happen even if the flying creature is not encumbered). For example, an average maneuverability Pegasus has a Strength of 18. Most medium sized riders with gear would put a Pegasus in a Heavy load (200 to 300 pounds) very quickly. Hence, it is difficult for a pegasus to carry a both a medium sized rider and wear barding. Its reduced speed would be 40 from 60. If it ever drops to 25 or lower (like with a short distance charge), it has to land (which it cannot since it charged) or it will fall. Since a Charge is a special full round attack action, a Pegasus could not do a Charge as part of a Fly By Attack. So, if it charges 25 feet or less, it falls. [/QUOTE]
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