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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fireinthedust" data-source="post: 5143389" data-attributes="member: 51930">I was thinking about that.  I think an interesting option was presented in one of the later MMs, in the form of more higher-level examples of current monsters.  Not just the ones presented in Ecology articles, of one-off special monsters, but rather a pile of examples of a particular race for use by GMs.    Like the Goblins in RotRL, how in the Bestiary they're 1st level warriors; but if I wanted to make some Goblin Bards or Barbarians, or even an elite group of Goblin Rogues or Fighters, it might be more realistic for an adventuring party encountering a cadre of the little blighters.I just don't know whether just having more upper-CR critters is a good idea.  Like in Savage Tide's later episodes, how there was this assassin based on a demon but with two assassin levels.  I mean, just two.  The rest were the usual monster HD.  While that's good for a foundation, I think there's a lot of things that monsters don't make up for vs. PCs unless they've got more... well, stuff going for them.  Granted, yes there should be big beasties like the Shoggoth: so glad that's a Core PF monsters, actually; and more giant scorpions and spiders and dragons and such.  That makes sense, and should be that way.      But I like the idea of a base-race being, like, CR8 and then level up the more powerful options.  At least for the intelligent creatures.  My defense for this is that if I wanted to have Cyclopes Archmages, they by definition have to be Epic Level before I can pit them against my players *if* the base race is CR20.  Since they're CR5, I can pile on some levels and have them ready to challenge the PCs in a reasonable manner.I guess I'm thinking about the power creep that happened in 3.x, like in FR.  Then again, there is the problem of having GMs leveling up *every* monsters once the players are around 8th level.</blockquote>

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