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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9027013" data-attributes="member: 6801228">That isn't an issue with flight at all then. It is an issue with communication between the GM and the player. Because, yes, if you didn't mention (or they forgot) there was a strong wind... then they wouldn't be flying. I'm not going to put on a heavy winter coat if it is boiling hot, for example. So, again, this seems like something completely unrelated to the rules of flying.It is called 5th edition, where the 5ft grid is not assumed. There were plenty of UA abilities (can't remember if it was the harengon or the Satyr) that had abilities that would move them a 1d10 feet. Which led to them potentially being moved less or more than 5ft. Or even the normal jumping rules, which explicitly allow you to jump anywhere from 4 to 20 ft. And that includes jumping 7 ft or 13 ft or 19 ft. You can even extend your high jump by 1.5 times your height, which for a 5ft 3in character would be 7 ft 10 and a half inches.What I said was not "unreasonble" to the GM, it was perfectly within the rules of the game. Now, I admit it is challenging to do that on a 5ft grid, and why I argued the UA abilities should be changed, but you can't complain about the rules of the game being incomplete and you needing to rewrite them... then ignore the rules of the game.Really? If someone throws down caltrops... it isn't hidden. The character sees the caltrops. They know they are there. Same with webs. Same with grease. These are, as you stated difficult terrain in no way are these the same as a pit trap or any other ACTUAL trap. And again... what incomplete rules? The rules are perfectly clear. You just seem to not like them, which is an entirely different situation.Name me five birds with wings growing out of their backs, not replacing their arms. This may shock you, but the wing and joint structure for a bird like this[ATTACH=full]285642[/ATTACH]Is actually a completely different from the wing and joint structure of a being like this[ATTACH=full]285643[/ATTACH]So, yes, I would not be surprised if this hawkman could beat its wings in front of it, or down, and change direction, even throw itself backwards and "fly" back. Because the joint is completely different. And yes, it probably is a joint more similiar to a hummingbird... how is that a problem? Frankly, it seems your problem is that a six-limbed fantasy creature works differently than a four limbed flying creature. Which, again, that isn't a rules problem.D&D does not require the use of a 5ft grid. Seriously, maybe the rules seem incomplete to you because you didn't actually pay attention to what the rules are.And both are fluids. Bouyance and floating also have nothing to do with turning or spinning? I don't even understand why you would think bouyancy applies at all to this scenario.And, shockingly, this isn't what birds look like[ATTACH=full]285644[/ATTACH]Also, again, the rules for 5e are clear. To quote an answer on the rules "The “hover” tag indicates that if the creature is knocked prone, has its movement restricted, or is otherwise reduced to zero movement, it does not fall to gravity, but hovers." You may not like the rules. But it doesn't say that hover is required to fly backwards, or that creatures lacking hover can't turn within a 5ft space, or anything else you are making up or bringing forward from older editions. Heck, carts can't "turn on a dime" in the real world, but they can absolutely make a 90 degree turn on a 5e battlemap with no issues at all. It is completely unrealistic... but it is the rules. Not liking the rules =/= the rules being incomplete. The rules on flight are very clear, and follow the same rules for all other types of movement. That is a good thing in my book, because it means I don't need to memorize some subsystem just because someone drank a potion of flying. None of your issues are that the rules are unclear. Your issue is you don't like the rules. Which is fine. But you can't complain that the book wasn't written with your hoserules, and somehow claim the book is incomplete for lacking your houserules.</blockquote>

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