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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9033796" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>And was nested in my misunderstanding of what you wanted when you declared you wanted the dragon to have to line up their attacks. Look, I'm sorry you proposed things in a way that made me think you were making a different proposal, but I tried very hard to keep that "you are making a different combat system" contained to that idea of wind-up attacks that take an entire turn to use. It had nothing to do with the movement rules. </p><p></p><p>Also, again, saying that someone is being hysterical IS a personal attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not creating strawmen. At worst, I misunderstood a single part of the argument, which I've already acknowledged and sought clarity on. </p><p></p><p>Also, again, a commentary of "you are crying/whining" is STILL a personal attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A slippery slope argument is one that takes the presented argument, and extrapolates it out to absurdity. Like "Requiring students to wear uniforms will cause an economic depression, because then they won't buy clothing, and clothing stores will close, which will put people out of work.." and on and on. </p><p></p><p>At worst, my points could be a whataboutism, but my entire point STOPS after one step. There is no slope. It stops with the question "why change only flight?" And sure, you can say that the reason to stop with flight is because you want to change flight, but when asked why you want to change flight the answers you gave revealed goals that, to me, don't actually require changing flight. </p><p></p><p>And all your indignation at me questioning you and pointing out things like that different types of movement between land-based creatures aren't modeled comes across to me as "sit down, shut up, and accept my rule changes are unambiguously good and have no flaws". I've offered alternatives even, to demonstrate how some of what you want could be achieved with only monster design. Because I do agree with your end goal, as I understand it. I just think your method is flawed and causes more burden on the GM than is necessary or desirable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9033796, member: 6801228"] And was nested in my misunderstanding of what you wanted when you declared you wanted the dragon to have to line up their attacks. Look, I'm sorry you proposed things in a way that made me think you were making a different proposal, but I tried very hard to keep that "you are making a different combat system" contained to that idea of wind-up attacks that take an entire turn to use. It had nothing to do with the movement rules. Also, again, saying that someone is being hysterical IS a personal attack. I'm not creating strawmen. At worst, I misunderstood a single part of the argument, which I've already acknowledged and sought clarity on. Also, again, a commentary of "you are crying/whining" is STILL a personal attack. A slippery slope argument is one that takes the presented argument, and extrapolates it out to absurdity. Like "Requiring students to wear uniforms will cause an economic depression, because then they won't buy clothing, and clothing stores will close, which will put people out of work.." and on and on. At worst, my points could be a whataboutism, but my entire point STOPS after one step. There is no slope. It stops with the question "why change only flight?" And sure, you can say that the reason to stop with flight is because you want to change flight, but when asked why you want to change flight the answers you gave revealed goals that, to me, don't actually require changing flight. And all your indignation at me questioning you and pointing out things like that different types of movement between land-based creatures aren't modeled comes across to me as "sit down, shut up, and accept my rule changes are unambiguously good and have no flaws". I've offered alternatives even, to demonstrate how some of what you want could be achieved with only monster design. Because I do agree with your end goal, as I understand it. I just think your method is flawed and causes more burden on the GM than is necessary or desirable. [/QUOTE]
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