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<blockquote data-quote="WayOfTheFourElements" data-source="post: 7961823" data-attributes="member: 6904757">Cool. I absolutely agree with you on an individual, economic level. A person can say, on an objective level. &quot;I value 1kg of oranges at 2 euros, but not 3.&quot; But those aren't laws. But I cannot tell you, &quot;The value of 1 kg of oranges and you must buy them. If you don't buy them, you will be penalized.&quot;I disagree that legitimacy is meaningless. You have legitimacy in deciding how much those oranges are worth to you. Likewise, the seller has the same legitimate ability. Therefore, I would say legitimacy is meaningful.The problems with government is defining what is good. Abortion is a wonderful example. Some see the freedom to abort a fetus is an absolute. Others see the murder of a developing human being as an absolute evil. To choose either side is to impose tyranny, from the perspective of one side. Which is why explaining the legitimacy of government is important - so that the side and that is not been chosen understands why the the other side has the ability to impose their views.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WayOfTheFourElements, post: 7961823, member: 6904757"] Cool. I absolutely agree with you on an individual, economic level. A person can say, on an objective level. "I value 1kg of oranges at 2 euros, but not 3." But those aren't laws. But I cannot tell you, "The value of 1 kg of oranges and you must buy them. If you don't buy them, you will be penalized." I disagree that legitimacy is meaningless. You have legitimacy in deciding how much those oranges are worth to you. Likewise, the seller has the same legitimate ability. Therefore, I would say legitimacy is meaningful. The problems with government is defining what is good. Abortion is a wonderful example. Some see the freedom to abort a fetus is an absolute. Others see the murder of a developing human being as an absolute evil. To choose either side is to impose tyranny, from the perspective of one side. Which is why explaining the legitimacy of government is important - so that the side and that is not been chosen understands why the the other side has the ability to impose their views. [/QUOTE]

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