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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 3749221" data-attributes="member: 16285">Dark Sun was pretty much just like that too. {I referenced that back in post 22}Very frequently Muls were &quot;escaped&quot; slaves who had to keep one step ahead of their &quot;owners&quot; and the land itself presented tremendous challenges for survival (heat, lack of water, really really nasty monsters, etc.) so whenever the PCs had to get somewhere these &quot;survival issues&quot; always crept up and were a part of the game - but they in and of themselves were not &quot;the&quot; game.My point is that there was more to it than merely &quot;surviving&quot; there was a set of mini &quot;missions&quot; that came about because of &quot;events&quot; that were caused by being &quot;on the run&quot;.I mean you can use the same logic to say that all D&amp;D is about surviving since you are trying not to get killed all the time. A multi-level &quot;cage match&quot; wears thin real quickly. Friends of mine when playing Dark Sun (both were running Muls) had an epic (not epic level play but epic in its cinema effect) &quot;match&quot; in the Zuggarart (spelling?) that was all about survive or die - but that was only one &quot;adventure&quot; (more like a really large encounter with mutiple opponents) and not the entire &quot;campaign&quot;.Now if you are making a comparison to a game where it is all about trying to get more &quot;stuff&quot; then I agree - but I absolutely hate those kind of games (far too much WoW-ish for my tastes). I love some kind of &quot;purpose&quot; to my role-playing and adventuring. I don't play my PCs to adventure to get more stuff the adventure for some &quot;reason&quot; and getting more stuff is part of the adventuring (that is background, like survival is in Dark Sun).In your game what was the end point? I mean was it only to not get captured for 8 sessions? Or was it that there was something at the end of those 8 sessions that made them &quot;free men&quot; or the like?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 3749221, member: 16285"] Dark Sun was pretty much just like that too. {I referenced that back in post 22} Very frequently Muls were "escaped" slaves who had to keep one step ahead of their "owners" and the land itself presented tremendous challenges for survival (heat, lack of water, really really nasty monsters, etc.) so whenever the PCs had to get somewhere these "survival issues" always crept up and were a part of the game - but they in and of themselves were not "the" game. My point is that there was more to it than merely "surviving" there was a set of mini "missions" that came about because of "events" that were caused by being "on the run". I mean you can use the same logic to say that all D&D is about surviving since you are trying not to get killed all the time. A multi-level "cage match" wears thin real quickly. Friends of mine when playing Dark Sun (both were running Muls) had an epic (not epic level play but epic in its cinema effect) "match" in the Zuggarart (spelling?) that was all about survive or die - but that was only one "adventure" (more like a really large encounter with mutiple opponents) and not the entire "campaign". Now if you are making a comparison to a game where it is all about trying to get more "stuff" then I agree - but I absolutely hate those kind of games (far too much WoW-ish for my tastes). I love some kind of "purpose" to my role-playing and adventuring. I don't play my PCs to adventure to get more stuff the adventure for some "reason" and getting more stuff is part of the adventuring (that is background, like survival is in Dark Sun). In your game what was the end point? I mean was it only to not get captured for 8 sessions? Or was it that there was something at the end of those 8 sessions that made them "free men" or the like? [/QUOTE]

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