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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 8154118" data-attributes="member: 50987"><p>Never understood the hype for the Death Knight. At the end of the day, it was just another variety of lich...and we've had to deal with a ton of lich variants in this thread.</p><p></p><p>Now the question is, who do I downvote now? Ghosts have the best role-playing opportunities for the DM, and are a lot more versatile than most other creatures on the list: they can join the party as NPCs, they can harrow the party as monsters, and they can turn the party against itself with their possession ability.</p><p></p><p>Liches are my go-to monster for "powerful undead villain." The have some of the best spells, abilities, and lair actions in the game, and can be customized to fit any setting or challenge through their spell selections alone. They're so good, everyone tries to imitate them...deathlock is a lich with warlock spells, death knight is a lich with paladin spells, demilich is a lich without a body, etc. I don't see myself downvoting the perfect undead monster.</p><p></p><p>The Mummy is probably the weakest monster on the list, but it's not terrible. Sure, the classic is the bandaged, embalmed variety...but there are also bog mummies, ice mummies, salt mummies...if you're getting tripped up on bandages, just expand your mind a bit. (At least the Mummy Lord was voted out early; it's basically a lich with cleric spells and a terrible costume.)</p><p></p><p>Vampires are a classic, but they're getting stale. Yes yes, you're a tortured soul cursed with immortality and have to live forever in the prison of your own mistakes, yawn. I mostly love them for the sake of nostalgia: back in 3rd Edition/Pathfinder, when "vampire" was a template that could be applied to humanoids, they were so much better. I guess I can upvote them for old-time's sake if/when the lich doesn't make it.</p><p></p><p>Wraiths are amazing monsters, but there isn't a classic D&D setting or adventure module that features them so it'll probably be the next to go. I'm okay with it. It's a low-power undead monster with an interesting vibe, I have nothing against it. But I have to downvote <em>something.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 8154118, member: 50987"] Never understood the hype for the Death Knight. At the end of the day, it was just another variety of lich...and we've had to deal with a ton of lich variants in this thread. Now the question is, who do I downvote now? Ghosts have the best role-playing opportunities for the DM, and are a lot more versatile than most other creatures on the list: they can join the party as NPCs, they can harrow the party as monsters, and they can turn the party against itself with their possession ability. Liches are my go-to monster for "powerful undead villain." The have some of the best spells, abilities, and lair actions in the game, and can be customized to fit any setting or challenge through their spell selections alone. They're so good, everyone tries to imitate them...deathlock is a lich with warlock spells, death knight is a lich with paladin spells, demilich is a lich without a body, etc. I don't see myself downvoting the perfect undead monster. The Mummy is probably the weakest monster on the list, but it's not terrible. Sure, the classic is the bandaged, embalmed variety...but there are also bog mummies, ice mummies, salt mummies...if you're getting tripped up on bandages, just expand your mind a bit. (At least the Mummy Lord was voted out early; it's basically a lich with cleric spells and a terrible costume.) Vampires are a classic, but they're getting stale. Yes yes, you're a tortured soul cursed with immortality and have to live forever in the prison of your own mistakes, yawn. I mostly love them for the sake of nostalgia: back in 3rd Edition/Pathfinder, when "vampire" was a template that could be applied to humanoids, they were so much better. I guess I can upvote them for old-time's sake if/when the lich doesn't make it. Wraiths are amazing monsters, but there isn't a classic D&D setting or adventure module that features them so it'll probably be the next to go. I'm okay with it. It's a low-power undead monster with an interesting vibe, I have nothing against it. But I have to downvote [I]something.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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