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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6717422" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Ironically, my experience has been exactly the opposite of #2. "Law" in general is bad, Law crushes all individualism, Law despises freedom, Law wants to exactly prescribe how each and every person does anything and proscribe all other behaviors. To live by the Law is to be nothing but a hive insect. (Note: *I* don't feel this way, but at least 50% of the people I've roleplayed with have been either CG or CN, and at least half of that group have looked sneeringly down their noses at my playing an LG character.)I have to admit, though, that I find  @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6799649" target="_blank">Arial Black</a>'s characterization somewhat...humorous, or at least strange. The Bill of Rights--a codified set of principles which cannot be violated,* under pain of punishment and significant public censure--is Chaotic? Interesting. I also fail to see how "the state exists to benefit the people" is incompatible with Law. I would even go so far as to say that that is a big chunk of how I *define* Lawful Good--"Laws exist to serve the people. An unjust law is no law at all."Chaotic Good, as I understood it, says that the State either shouldn't exist at all, or should be as minimalist as possible (defense; protection against force, fraud, theft, etc.; enforcement of contracts; and not much else)--at least, that's the fairly philosophically-rigorous libertarian ideal as promulgated by Robert Nozick, probably the best philosopher dedicated to the subject of libertarian philosophy.Under that notion, the Colonies were not really the ideal of Chaotic Good (they did after all feel compelled to write a formal document explaining themselves and their principles), the United States under the Articles of Confederation was vaguely Chaotic (since each of the states acted independently, the Confederation Congress was essentially powerless, and each of the states basically said "FU!" to the requests to fund the federal government), and the only reason the United States survived to become the nation it is today is because These Various States agreed to adopt the new(er) Constitution, which created a central government that both could and did tax its people, and which put down the Whiskey Rebellion as a result. Even what little the Confederation Congress achieved is exactly the opposite of a "Chaotic Good" ideal--it persuaded the northern states to give up their claims to the "Northwestern Territory" (which we now call the Midwest), allowing the *federal* government to establish new states there. In other words, it denied individual states the right to settle territory and gave that power to itself.But, if we're speaking mainly in myth and archetype, sure, I'll grant that Chaotic Good is often an American ideal. But it could also be argued to be a Communist ideal, fighting against the tyranny of those who try to control others through money and social stratification. So chew on that for a while. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />*Well, unless you recognize that the government of the United States actually does allow some of these rights to be violated under specific circumstances, e.g. "Congress shall pass no law...abridging the freedom of speech," except when it totally did several times--even with the Supreme Court's approval (the Espionage Act with the 1918 "Sedition Act" amendments). Even the heavily pro-"free speech" Supreme Court of today still recognizes that "obscenity" is a valid reason to remove a speech-act, though the category of "obscene" things shrinks by the year and is nearly nonexistent now.</blockquote>

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