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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 2448822" data-attributes="member: 7240">Thanks everyone for your responses. I think this may be the most fun (as opposed to my usual abstract and weird) thread I've started in a while.You, sir, are correct!This is very much where I'm coming from.</blockquote>LOL! That's why I started this thread. I realize everybody's suspension of disbelief is pretty idiosyncratic and unique. That stated, yeah -- crossword puzzles do hurt my suspension of disbelief period but they don't shatter it.Ewwwwww. Suspension of disbelief isn't the only thing that harms.I'm only sort of with you here. I don't see how a pre-modern society would keep track of a stable, detailed, objective 3000-4000 year history. But, as others have already pointed out, at any point. The world as it is today is by no means the inevitable outcome of the pre-modern societies leading up to it.I actually got pretty cranky myself. The players did kind of rebel after our solution to the Clausewitz puzzle was found to be incorrect. We were within a hair's breadth of basically walking out of the adventure. We were all, "Screw you. If we need to pass this test to enter a city to warn them they're about to be attacked. They deserve to be slaughtered." So we were going to just nail a note to the door and leave. But then I took pity on the GM and decided that we should really meet the ruler of the city in order to deliver him our own culturally anachronistic riddle modeled on Season 2 of Trailer Park Boys: "Knock knock! / Who's there? / F*ck off!" (Complete with the double middle finger salute.) The other players liked the suggestion a lot. So we ended up finally meeting the ruler but sort of lost our nerve. So, I got my animal companion to deposit several pounds of excrement on the guy's ornate and valuable rug.Well, I have managed to put together a group of players for my fortnightly game, some of whom do outside research because there are in-game rewards for it. But (a) the documents they are reading are directly pertinent to the alternate historical situation they face -- ie. they're Europeans in the Americas in the 13th century and they can reference the three pages of Plutarch about the land on the other side of the Atlantic (b) much more importantly, nobody is expected to do the reading and the game functions perfectly well if nobody does it and (c) I recruited a unique group of players who would find this cool as opposed to inconvenient. The D&D group that got hit with this puzzle, on the other hand is totally unsuited and uninterested in any of this.If this happened every week, that's what I'd do. But it just happens every 13 sessions or so. You should check out my comments in the two immersion threads that are going right now. I think you may find you mischaracterized the thing I like.[/QUOTE]

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