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Swallow Whole and Fly = problem!?
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<blockquote data-quote="Creat" data-source="post: 2029569" data-attributes="member: 15038"><p>Before I start: we are still using the 3.0 rules, but 3.5 input is still welcome <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I had a situation recently where a small character with fly cast on him was swallowed whole after a large froglike creature (with improved grab and swallow whole) grabbed him with his improved grab. Now, he asked me about the creatures weight, which I had to guess (does anyone know where I can find information about weights of creature in general since it's rarely given?). So I set the weight to 1000 lb, which seemed reasonable. Now he started to fly up which he can do since the fly spell allows you to "carry aloft" your "maximum load plus any armor" you wear (quoted text is taken directly from the spells description).</p><p>Since his strength was somewhere at least 30 (Barbarian rage + Frenzy + Bull's Strength easily do that), probably even higher it was not a problem.</p><p>In the next round he cut his way out (upwards), so when he was through (with that much strength that doesn't take long) the frog fell down taking appropriate damage.</p><p></p><p>Now in the Main FAQ for DnD 3.0 there is a question dedicated to moving a grappled opponent on page 44 (it's too long so I'm not gonna post it here in the post but you can get it <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/MainFAQv06272003.zip" target="_blank">here</a>) that suggest you can move an opponent if you win a grapple check. I've only found this after the gaming session so I didn't consider it then, but also why would winning a grapple check let the frog stay on the ground? After all something inside of him is lifting him up. And, imo after swallowing a character is still considered grappled (after all he can climb to the creatures mouth with a grapple check) but the swallowing creature isn't, right? So the creature can move and act normally. Now with fly should a swallowed character be able to move the creature it is in, even if he can't list it up? The rules presented in the FAQ say you need to be able to drag the creature you want to move around.</p><p></p><p>Now as far as I know I didn't overlook anything, but is that (supposed to be) possible that way? I know most monsters with swallow whole are larger (this one was given in the adventure I run, so it's kinda special) and therefore probably much heavier, so it would be much harder to carry aloft, but the dragging could still work...</p><p></p><p>How would you handle this? Would you just not allow it? I'd really like some input, especially if you can find anything in the rules that I missed or that seems to apply here (even though it was probably meant for some other context).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Creat, post: 2029569, member: 15038"] Before I start: we are still using the 3.0 rules, but 3.5 input is still welcome :) I had a situation recently where a small character with fly cast on him was swallowed whole after a large froglike creature (with improved grab and swallow whole) grabbed him with his improved grab. Now, he asked me about the creatures weight, which I had to guess (does anyone know where I can find information about weights of creature in general since it's rarely given?). So I set the weight to 1000 lb, which seemed reasonable. Now he started to fly up which he can do since the fly spell allows you to "carry aloft" your "maximum load plus any armor" you wear (quoted text is taken directly from the spells description). Since his strength was somewhere at least 30 (Barbarian rage + Frenzy + Bull's Strength easily do that), probably even higher it was not a problem. In the next round he cut his way out (upwards), so when he was through (with that much strength that doesn't take long) the frog fell down taking appropriate damage. Now in the Main FAQ for DnD 3.0 there is a question dedicated to moving a grappled opponent on page 44 (it's too long so I'm not gonna post it here in the post but you can get it [URL=http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/MainFAQv06272003.zip]here[/URL]) that suggest you can move an opponent if you win a grapple check. I've only found this after the gaming session so I didn't consider it then, but also why would winning a grapple check let the frog stay on the ground? After all something inside of him is lifting him up. And, imo after swallowing a character is still considered grappled (after all he can climb to the creatures mouth with a grapple check) but the swallowing creature isn't, right? So the creature can move and act normally. Now with fly should a swallowed character be able to move the creature it is in, even if he can't list it up? The rules presented in the FAQ say you need to be able to drag the creature you want to move around. Now as far as I know I didn't overlook anything, but is that (supposed to be) possible that way? I know most monsters with swallow whole are larger (this one was given in the adventure I run, so it's kinda special) and therefore probably much heavier, so it would be much harder to carry aloft, but the dragging could still work... How would you handle this? Would you just not allow it? I'd really like some input, especially if you can find anything in the rules that I missed or that seems to apply here (even though it was probably meant for some other context). [/QUOTE]
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