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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Creat" data-source="post: 2032132" data-attributes="member: 15038">Yea I actually used just that as an example: As long as your in the train you would expect to fly relative to it (would suck to not be able to move forward at all in a trail going at a speed equal to 90 ft). So you move relative to the object you're in (or the world if yo're not "in" anything else). In other words: you move relative to the air that surrounds you. So he would push up in the frog, but not a manner that lifts him (as you couldn't lift a train wagon from within).Even if that fly is magical, something still has to push down to counter gravity, and that thrust would only push against the other side of the frog and not actually move him.That is an entirely other point. When those two are grappling (wo started the grapple is irrelevant anyway) and he's not swallowed he can make a grapple check to fly up and take him with him (without the grapple ckeck the other one can just choose to let go if he wants). That is allowed of course (monsters can do it, so he can too), but not while he is swallowed, it's the same as pulling yourself out of a swamp on your own hair...</blockquote>