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<blockquote data-quote="BlivetWidget" data-source="post: 7635951" data-attributes="member: 6912801">Indeed, that's exactly what I want to avoid - banning spells based on inconvenience.&nbsp; And let's face it, nobody can manage an extra 10 creatures without it bogging down the turn.&nbsp; Their very existence on the battlefield will slow everyone down, in fact, no matter how good of a job they do (all the LOS and AoO complications).&nbsp; That's why I'm looking to swarms.&nbsp; I do like your idea of just using the average damage, though.As an alternative idea, we could let groups of tiny objects share initiative and move together.&nbsp; Up to 8 tiny creatures can fit in a 5x5 medium-creature cube.&nbsp; So 10 tiny creatures could easily be treated as two medium &quot;creatures&quot; with multiattack (one per tiny creature).&nbsp; Using average damage (round down to 6), this would be pretty manageable.&nbsp; Do you see any issue with letting groups move and attack together?&nbsp; Obviously it's not the same as individual initiative, but I don't think it breaks anything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BlivetWidget, post: 7635951, member: 6912801"] Indeed, that's exactly what I want to avoid - banning spells based on inconvenience. And let's face it, nobody can manage an extra 10 creatures without it bogging down the turn. Their very existence on the battlefield will slow everyone down, in fact, no matter how good of a job they do (all the LOS and AoO complications). That's why I'm looking to swarms. I do like your idea of just using the average damage, though. As an alternative idea, we could let groups of tiny objects share initiative and move together. Up to 8 tiny creatures can fit in a 5x5 medium-creature cube. So 10 tiny creatures could easily be treated as two medium "creatures" with multiattack (one per tiny creature). Using average damage (round down to 6), this would be pretty manageable. Do you see any issue with letting groups move and attack together? Obviously it's not the same as individual initiative, but I don't think it breaks anything. [/QUOTE]

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