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<blockquote data-quote="Coyoteoldman" data-source="post: 3426654" data-attributes="member: 48384">I'll grant you this, a 5th level sorcerer and wizard have to take Quicken Spell before it is useful to them, but only for 1 level. If they both take the Quicken Spell at 6th level, and then their first swiftblade level at 7th level, Quickened Knack kicks in right away and lets them cast quickened 0-level spells. Not a huge boon, but it's there. And this is only if you are &quot;desperate&quot; to become a swiftblade at the earliest possible time.That's where I disagree. The swiftblade is not about high level casting. If high level casting is your only priority, then there are far better options available to you. The swiftblade is about softening up your opponents first and getting your hands dirty in combat second. Three spells per round, one of which can be 5th level, and two of which are up to 2nd level (assuming minimum entry levels requirements) for a 13th level character is not something I can disregard lightly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coyoteoldman, post: 3426654, member: 48384"] I'll grant you this, a 5th level sorcerer and wizard have to take Quicken Spell before it is useful to them, but only for 1 level. If they both take the Quicken Spell at 6th level, and then their first swiftblade level at 7th level, Quickened Knack kicks in right away and lets them cast quickened 0-level spells. Not a huge boon, but it's there. And this is only if you are "desperate" to become a swiftblade at the earliest possible time. That's where I disagree. The swiftblade is not about high level casting. If high level casting is your only priority, then there are far better options available to you. The swiftblade is about softening up your opponents first and getting your hands dirty in combat second. Three spells per round, one of which can be 5th level, and two of which are up to 2nd level (assuming minimum entry levels requirements) for a 13th level character is not something I can disregard lightly. :) [/QUOTE]

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