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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 7130690" data-attributes="member: 413">A couple of points: 1) Whatever else is being carried/worn can be discarded before drowning.&nbsp; Armor, not so much.&nbsp; Remember...D&amp;D (especially 5e) is not a simulation.&nbsp; Certainly if you want you can make the rules more detailed, but for my part, I like quick, simple rules that cover most situations fine.&nbsp; For my part, I assume that if someone is having trouble swimming the first thing they are doing is dropping whatever they are holding, then dropping their pack or removing any load bear gear they have before they sink too far.2) Swimming checks are already strength based.&nbsp; So all else being equal, the guy with the 10 strength and no athletics skill will have a harder time than the guy with 18 strength and/or proficiency in athletics.&nbsp; Again....this may not be realistic.&nbsp; I had a buddy that was all muscle in the army.&nbsp;&nbsp; We had to swim as part of some training we were doing with boots and other gear on...he sank like a stone.&nbsp; I'm not strong at all and not particularly athletic but can swim pretty well, even with boots and other gear.&nbsp;&nbsp; Again...D&amp;D isn't a simulation so this is fine, I think.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 7130690, member: 413"] A couple of points: 1) Whatever else is being carried/worn can be discarded before drowning. Armor, not so much. Remember...D&D (especially 5e) is not a simulation. Certainly if you want you can make the rules more detailed, but for my part, I like quick, simple rules that cover most situations fine. For my part, I assume that if someone is having trouble swimming the first thing they are doing is dropping whatever they are holding, then dropping their pack or removing any load bear gear they have before they sink too far. 2) Swimming checks are already strength based. So all else being equal, the guy with the 10 strength and no athletics skill will have a harder time than the guy with 18 strength and/or proficiency in athletics. Again....this may not be realistic. I had a buddy that was all muscle in the army. We had to swim as part of some training we were doing with boots and other gear on...he sank like a stone. I'm not strong at all and not particularly athletic but can swim pretty well, even with boots and other gear. Again...D&D isn't a simulation so this is fine, I think. [/QUOTE]

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