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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8231077" data-attributes="member: 7006">I'll reiterate it... if anyone actually wants to do a &quot;low-magic&quot; kind of game... you really can't have ANY spellcasting classes available for purchase (at least at Level 1).&nbsp; Because even if you cut down the number of spellcasting classes you make available to a smaller number... that's most likely not going to change the number of spellcasting classes actually played at the table.&nbsp; You could cut down the available casters to just cleric and wizard (stripping away bards, druids, sorcerers, warlocks, paladins, and rangers)... and when it came time to create a party, you'd get at least one cleric and at least one wizard.&nbsp; And voila... 2/5th of the table are playing spellcasters.&nbsp; And thus your desire for &quot;less magic&quot; is now gone.&nbsp; Heck... even if you made both those classes into half-casters... once they gain a couple levels they're STILL going to be casting 3 to 5 spells each every single adventuring day.&nbsp; That is PLENTY of magic.&nbsp; Eight to 10 spells cast each and every day.&nbsp; You as the DM are not going to get ANY real feeling of your &quot;low-magic setting&quot; if you have that.If you really want &quot;low-magic&quot;... then only allow a party of barbarians, fighters, and rogues so you as the DM can at least get a sense of what having a no-magic party actually feels like in play (for probably the first time ever for you.)&nbsp; Just roll with that feeling for several levels at least.&nbsp; See what it feels like, what the experience is.&nbsp; How have the players changed their actions in-game by not having magic at their disposal.And then... if you get the sense down the road that okay, maybe a little bit of magic might be all right, might add a bit of flavor... you can allow one of the group to take the Magical Adept or Ritual Caster feats or multiclass a level of caster.&nbsp; Preferably the one member for whom it made sense in the story to get it (like they activated some artifact or something and got blasted by magical energy).&nbsp; And treat gaining spellcasting like you and the players would treat gaining a magical item.&nbsp; Make it special.&nbsp; Heck... using an attunement slot for it wouldn't be out of the questions.&nbsp; Because at least that way the players know that this kind of magic is a rare and special thing.At least, that's my feelings on the matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8231077, member: 7006"] I'll reiterate it... if anyone actually wants to do a "low-magic" kind of game... you really can't have ANY spellcasting classes available for purchase (at least at Level 1). Because even if you cut down the number of spellcasting classes you make [I]available[/I] to a smaller number... that's most likely not going to change the number of spellcasting classes [I]actually played[/I] at the table. You could cut down the available casters to just cleric and wizard (stripping away bards, druids, sorcerers, warlocks, paladins, and rangers)... and when it came time to create a party, you'd get at least one cleric and at least one wizard. And voila... 2/5th of the table are playing spellcasters. And thus your desire for "less magic" is now gone. Heck... even if you made both those classes into half-casters... once they gain a couple levels they're STILL going to be casting 3 to 5 spells each every single adventuring day. That is PLENTY of magic. Eight to 10 spells cast each and every day. You as the DM are not going to get ANY real feeling of your "low-magic setting" if you have that. If you really want "low-magic"... then only allow a party of barbarians, fighters, and rogues so you as the DM can at least get a sense of what having a no-magic party actually feels like in play (for probably the first time ever for you.) Just roll with that feeling for several levels at least. See what it feels like, what the experience is. How have the players changed their actions in-game by not having magic at their disposal. And then... if you get the sense down the road that okay, maybe [I]a little bit[/I] of magic might be all right, might add a bit of flavor... you can allow [I]one[/I] of the group to take the Magical Adept or Ritual Caster feats or multiclass a level of caster. Preferably the one member for whom it made sense in the story to get it (like they activated some artifact or something and got blasted by magical energy). And treat gaining spellcasting like you and the players would treat gaining a magical item. Make it special. Heck... using an attunement slot for it wouldn't be out of the questions. Because at least that way the players know that this kind of magic is a rare and special thing. At least, that's my feelings on the matter. [/QUOTE]

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