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<blockquote data-quote="Herschel" data-source="post: 5392882" data-attributes="member: 78357">Wow, you miss the actual role of the defender completely. In no way, shape or form should the defender take all the enemy hits. He draws their attention to take MORE HITS THAN HIS ALLIES. No defender takes all teh hits, all that means is dead defender.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;All defenders impose penalties when their marks don't attack them. A non-adjacent fighter simply imposes a -2 attack penalty, where a non-adjacent Shielding Swordmage nerfs his damage to a great extent. It obviously depends on the rest of the party but a boat load of squishies and a defender is bad composition. &nbsp;&nbsp;Again you fail to come to terms with the way the game actually works. The fighter is part of the party, no? Therefore the damage he takes IS party damage. A defender will have 9-14 surges usually. Non-defenders 7-10 usually. While defenders are generally more durable than other class roles, the difference isn't that huge. The defender's job is to take more damage than the other party members, and make it attractive for enemies to attack him, but not exclusively. But every party member should be taking hits. &nbsp;Numerous hits. &nbsp;Otherwise it's very poor resource management. If the group has to stop for the day because the defender is out of surges while other party members have half (or more) of their's left, that's really bad party resource management. The defender shouldn't run out of surges faster than any other character, he'll just be bloodied and/or healed somewhat more often.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Herschel, post: 5392882, member: 78357"] Wow, you miss the actual role of the defender completely. In no way, shape or form should the defender take all the enemy hits. He draws their attention to take MORE HITS THAN HIS ALLIES. No defender takes all teh hits, all that means is dead defender. All defenders impose penalties when their marks don't attack them. A non-adjacent fighter simply imposes a -2 attack penalty, where a non-adjacent Shielding Swordmage nerfs his damage to a great extent. It obviously depends on the rest of the party but a boat load of squishies and a defender is bad composition. Again you fail to come to terms with the way the game actually works. The fighter is part of the party, no? Therefore the damage he takes IS party damage. A defender will have 9-14 surges usually. Non-defenders 7-10 usually. While defenders are generally more durable than other class roles, the difference isn't that huge. The defender's job is to take more damage than the other party members, and make it attractive for enemies to attack him, but not exclusively. But every party member should be taking hits. Numerous hits. Otherwise it's very poor resource management. If the group has to stop for the day because the defender is out of surges while other party members have half (or more) of their's left, that's really bad party resource management. The defender shouldn't run out of surges faster than any other character, he'll just be bloodied and/or healed somewhat more often. [/QUOTE]

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