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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8789440" data-attributes="member: 7026594"><p>Yup. And this is the context in which Raven's claims make more sense.</p><p></p><p>Evidently his first self-printed and locally-distributed with his friends (like your first RPG from the 70s) was around 1980. This new "3rd edition" he's just put out is the ninth version he's put in print, by his account. I've personally owned four. Wiki accounts for the 1991 (Dameon Willich cover) and 1993 (Posada brothers cover) versions, and mentions the 2012 Kickstarter for a reboot, but I bought an earlier edition which he was printing and selling locally (and, it appears, by mail with ads in Dragon Magazine) in either 1990 or early '91, before the DW cover edition came out. I don't know if the versions from the 80s were as complete a game as that one, or if they were more patchwork kit like Arduin. But based on my experience with the system, I'd lean more toward the former.</p><p></p><p>So Raven's claims, while hyperbolic and maybe a bit self-deluded, aren't as crazy as they seem at first glance and wiki check.</p><p></p><p>Not to say that cross genre didn't already exist prior to that, but (and I haven't seen it personally to confirm) if his first version had anything like the later editions' mix of fantasy, sci-fi, and superheroes all together all at once back in 1980, then he really did something different than earlier publications like Arduin, Tekumel, or Superhero: 2044, and he did precede Rifts by 10 years or so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 8789440, member: 7026594"] Yup. And this is the context in which Raven's claims make more sense. Evidently his first self-printed and locally-distributed with his friends (like your first RPG from the 70s) was around 1980. This new "3rd edition" he's just put out is the ninth version he's put in print, by his account. I've personally owned four. Wiki accounts for the 1991 (Dameon Willich cover) and 1993 (Posada brothers cover) versions, and mentions the 2012 Kickstarter for a reboot, but I bought an earlier edition which he was printing and selling locally (and, it appears, by mail with ads in Dragon Magazine) in either 1990 or early '91, before the DW cover edition came out. I don't know if the versions from the 80s were as complete a game as that one, or if they were more patchwork kit like Arduin. But based on my experience with the system, I'd lean more toward the former. So Raven's claims, while hyperbolic and maybe a bit self-deluded, aren't as crazy as they seem at first glance and wiki check. Not to say that cross genre didn't already exist prior to that, but (and I haven't seen it personally to confirm) if his first version had anything like the later editions' mix of fantasy, sci-fi, and superheroes all together all at once back in 1980, then he really did something different than earlier publications like Arduin, Tekumel, or Superhero: 2044, and he did precede Rifts by 10 years or so. [/QUOTE]
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