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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenris-77" data-source="post: 8418136" data-attributes="member: 6993955"><p>Meh. Approaching topics like this with an assumption of bad faith play is pretty pointless. Pretty much any RPG falls apart with bad faith play on either side of the screen. Assumptions about player drives and actions, like the ones above, don't even pass the smell test for me. I don't play with munchkins and I don't play with jerks, so subversion of the game/rules by way of optimization really isn't a problem at my table. On the occasions where it does happen (almost always as a result the unforeseen synergy between rules ) we have a little chat as a group, decide how to handle it, and move on. I also don't generally believe that players are out to subvert the game, an idea here which seems to have been welded on to the idea of optimization without good rationale. They aren't the same thing, nor do they inevitably happen together.</p></blockquote><p></p>