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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenris-77" data-source="post: 8419393" data-attributes="member: 6993955">I don't think examples of bad faith play, which is most of the [USER=86653]@overgeeked[/USER]  example above, really move the discussion along. What prevents the DM from being a jerk, in most cases is the either implied or formal social contract that governs pretty much any game table. Agency and narrative control are not the same thing, and the example at hand is correctly identified as extraordinarily low agency compared to other games. I wasn't judging that state of affairs at all, obviously many people enjoy FRK games, just identifying the nature of one of the game elements.Also, if you don't understand how adjudication frameworks add to player agency, perhaps stop and consider it for a moment. It is actually true, despite your protestations to the contrary.[USER=7030755]@Malmuria[/USER] - deciding by fiat that the goblins are immune to fire is not something that comes as a standard part of the DM tool kit, for 5E or any edition. Player knowledge of the rule enforces a certain amount of colouring inside the lines by the DM in terms of adjudication.</blockquote>