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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 8425172" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>To be blunt, Some definitely do. Both the metaphorical and the literal. But the metaphor is problematic.</p><p></p><p>In Alaska, and several other US states, "Vegan" has huge sociopolitical baggage which isn't comparable to the Traditional RPG crowd, nor, largely, to the storygame crowd, either. Many people in Alaska claiming to be vegan are very political about animal rights, and also tend to be animal rights activists, especially in Alaska, where most families consume game meat or game fish at least monthly. And many of those moved to Alaska specifically to object to the hunting, fishing, commercial meat, commercial dairy, and commercial fishing industries.</p><p></p><p>Oregon it's less so... but still, many who stick to the vegan "No animal products in my food" do get hostile reactions, especially if east of I-5...</p><p></p><p>Back to the gaming side.</p><p></p><p>Ignoring the bad metaphor... All 6 or 7 playstyle camps have their extremists who think the others are doing it wrong and are a bad influence on the industry, and some of that subset in each preach that.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I don't like FKR, and don't trust GMs who don't want me knowing the rules. I think Gygax's rule zero should definitely go the **** away as bad. I have no issue with groups agreeing to modified rules; I run my houserules changes past groups before using them. I want players to make decisions on game state issues every bit as much as on story state issues.</p><p></p><p>Are they doing it wrong? No. But often, they're <em>describing</em> it wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And this is highlighting a problem with the OSR crowd, the ultralight rules crowd, and the FKR crowd: The appearance of self-delusion by the adherents. Many of them can't or won't engage on a meaningful level in terms that Trad and/or Storygamers can grok. Or (as we've seen in thread) give answers that are meaningful only to their in-group, but meaningless outside.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 8425172, member: 6779310"] To be blunt, Some definitely do. Both the metaphorical and the literal. But the metaphor is problematic. In Alaska, and several other US states, "Vegan" has huge sociopolitical baggage which isn't comparable to the Traditional RPG crowd, nor, largely, to the storygame crowd, either. Many people in Alaska claiming to be vegan are very political about animal rights, and also tend to be animal rights activists, especially in Alaska, where most families consume game meat or game fish at least monthly. And many of those moved to Alaska specifically to object to the hunting, fishing, commercial meat, commercial dairy, and commercial fishing industries. Oregon it's less so... but still, many who stick to the vegan "No animal products in my food" do get hostile reactions, especially if east of I-5... Back to the gaming side. Ignoring the bad metaphor... All 6 or 7 playstyle camps have their extremists who think the others are doing it wrong and are a bad influence on the industry, and some of that subset in each preach that. Personally, I don't like FKR, and don't trust GMs who don't want me knowing the rules. I think Gygax's rule zero should definitely go the **** away as bad. I have no issue with groups agreeing to modified rules; I run my houserules changes past groups before using them. I want players to make decisions on game state issues every bit as much as on story state issues. Are they doing it wrong? No. But often, they're [I]describing[/I] it wrong. And this is highlighting a problem with the OSR crowd, the ultralight rules crowd, and the FKR crowd: The appearance of self-delusion by the adherents. Many of them can't or won't engage on a meaningful level in terms that Trad and/or Storygamers can grok. Or (as we've seen in thread) give answers that are meaningful only to their in-group, but meaningless outside. [/QUOTE]
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