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<blockquote data-quote="Tilla the Hun (work)" data-source="post: 1561054" data-attributes="member: 14214">Plane sailing seems to have hit the nail on the head <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm confused as to whether this is a cr8 YA White or a 12th caster level Black...Regardless, the fact that the mage was lightning and counterspelling in the same round is what's broken here.The rules are written, and have been modified, to absolutely prevent you from casting 2 spells in the same round.&nbsp; You can't even cast two quickened spellsin the same round.&nbsp; Start a new thread and I'll be glad to cite rules to support...Given that - the mage that tosses a lightning bolt can't counterspell anything because doing so violates that basic premise as counterspelling requires casting a spell opposing the opponents spell.Regardless - charging the opponents square in the air is a viable tactic that could work, provided you have the movement plane mentioned.&nbsp; As an alternative, there are a couple of feats a dragon could take and move 2x his move (move action) and still do a single attack at any time during the move.And regardless of that - I'd say the description of that black dragon is a fair encounter for the players.&nbsp; Tough, scary, and really intricate.&nbsp; The goal is not to outright kill the players, but to put the fear of death into them.&nbsp; Dragons are great for that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tilla the Hun (work), post: 1561054, member: 14214"] Plane sailing seems to have hit the nail on the head :) I'm confused as to whether this is a cr8 YA White or a 12th caster level Black... Regardless, the fact that the mage was lightning and counterspelling in the same round is what's broken here. The rules are written, and have been modified, to absolutely prevent you from casting 2 spells in the same round. You can't even cast two quickened spellsin the same round. Start a new thread and I'll be glad to cite rules to support... Given that - the mage that tosses a lightning bolt can't counterspell anything because doing so violates that basic premise as counterspelling requires casting a spell opposing the opponents spell. Regardless - charging the opponents square in the air is a viable tactic that could work, provided you have the movement plane mentioned. As an alternative, there are a couple of feats a dragon could take and move 2x his move (move action) and still do a single attack at any time during the move. And regardless of that - I'd say the description of that black dragon is a fair encounter for the players. Tough, scary, and really intricate. The goal is not to outright kill the players, but to put the fear of death into them. Dragons are great for that :) [/QUOTE]

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