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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Daedrova" data-source="post: 1561582" data-attributes="member: 11835">Oh what a tangled web we weave...Oh, the spell is from the PH... it is called Web.  I know… I was shocked too.  I had glanced over the spell every time I read though the PH, just thinking it was a moderately useful spell- one who's style I just didn't appreciate ... yeah.I must note that my goal was not to "defeat" my players in any way.  I do like them to emerge victorious, and the taste of victory is that much sweeter after a good challenge.This dragon did have dragon feats- Hover, Wingover, Snatch, Awesome blow (which it used to knock the Paladin through a blade barrier cast by the cleric one round earlier <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> ), etc..  In the 3.5 MM it indicates dragons have blindsight 60 ft...  where do you get 270 ft. kigmatzomat?The particular black dragon in this situation was one who made a pact with demonic fairy-folk.  They would lure travelers/adventurers/creatures using various means deeper into this swampy forest where a trap would be sprung.  With the might of the dragon and the deception of the fairies, they were quite successful in gaining food and wealth by these means.  A favorite trap used against traveling companions was thus:  the fairy-folk hid large nets beneath the shallow swamp waters, and as adventurers would walk through, groups of them hiding would fly up into the air holding ends of the net, capturing one or two at a time, suspending them in the air at the mercy of the black dragon who leaped into the sky.When the trap was sprung on my party, the demon-fairies succeeded in trapping the Paladin in the net.  The party reacted quickly by wizard and sorcerer casting fly spells (the cleric can fly naturally), the wizard turned invisible, and was able to grant flight to the paladin who escaped before the dragon had a chance to snatch him.   That is why the dragon began aerial combat, and was not in his lair.  (He did have enough time to cast a few spells- protection from fire, stoneskin, haste [which adds 30ft. maximum to a creatures speed]  and every NPC also makes use of the same variant rules [including spell points] the players take advantage of).Yes, this did serve as an example as how two spells per round can be quite potent- as mentioned, it is the same tactic I used in a “dead heroes-tournament” event at our local gaming store not more than 3 years ago.Also, if the wizard were just one level higher he would have been able to do this same thing without benefit of (greater) haste by slinging Quickened lightning bolts and use of Reactive Counterspell.So, given such a situation: considering a wizard has the ability to sling at least a fair amount of quickened lightning so he can still counterspell... or perhaps both the wizard and sorcerer would decide to work in unison- both stay out of range, one counters while the other fires- What is a dragon to do?As of now, I don't see a way for the dragon to trump being bolted from a range greater than its speed while the caster is invisible (greater), followed by the caster moving away after the casting (staying out of range of the dragons blindsight, or readied charge)</blockquote>

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