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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 952901" data-attributes="member: 4910">Summon Nature's Ally 5 - summon a Giant Constrictor Snake.  (11hd, improved grab, str 25, size Huge).  Then hit it with Animal Growth.  It's HD will jump to 22, size Gargantuan, Str 33 (which should be on par with the dragon you're fighting.)  Because it is now one size category larger than it's target, it should be able to constrict. If you can get the snake around the dragon's body before it can breathe, do so.Find things that can do ice damage, that can get through SR easily.  Don't worry about ref save for 1/2 - dragons rarely have evasion.Dispell the crap out of the dragon.  Stripping buffs helps.Find a way to block, or restrict that breath weapon. A wall of force across 2/3 of a large double doorway is a start - gives the PCs something to hide behind, but with their smaller size, they can easily pop around and attack from.Debuff the dragon as much as you can - Bestow Curse is good... if you can get it to stick.If all else fails and it looks like you all will die - Otiluke's Resilient Sphere the party, then teleport or planeshift the heck out of there.  Some people may need to hop in any extradimentional storage items you may have if you're near the weight limit on teleport, though.Druid - Red dragons have the Fire subtype.  Quench that lizard until it's eyes bleed.  Quench doesn't allow a save OR SR when used against creatures.  It does allow a save and SR when cast against an attended object.. but that's okay, because you're not looking to fight an attended object, now are ya? ^_^</blockquote>

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